LEAKED: See IMAGES of the Fujifilm X-Pro2 New Menu, NR with more range, 273 AF points & more (Trusted Japanese Source)

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Grain Effect? Improved Noise Reduction? And what about the 273 AF points? Where are the Phase Detection Pixels? How does the new Menu Interface look like?.. Still many questions.

That’s why the Trusted Japanese source decided to show to FR-readers the X-Pro2 Menu.

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Main Menu Page

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New MY MENU

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New Acros Film Simulation

Acros 1

Acros 2

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Focus Points

Focus Points 2

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Focus Area

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Noise Reduction

Noise Reduction

Noise Reduction 2

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Autorotate

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Card Slots

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DOF scale

DOF scale 2

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Grain

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Movie 2_ _ _

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Pixel Mapping

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Raw Recording

Raw Recording 2

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Sharpness

Sharpness 2

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  • Olo

    It makes me frisky:)

  • JoeFunny30

    Cool. If it’s going for US $1800.00 it should come with the new 35mm lens.

    • That would be an absolute peach if it’s a package for $1800 (£1400 uk).

      • Fujica

        I’ll think that would be the only correct price for the kit.

        $1500.00 body only seems reasonable.
        $1800.00 body only would be steep.

  • MV

    What’s the ‘film format basis’ in the DoF scale – any guesses?

    • umad?!

      yes. DoF is most of the time calculated with the sensor size in mind. The circle of confusion there is about 0.02mm for APS-C (0.03 mm for full frame)
      And that is, what is on the DOF scales ON the lenses (those with marks).

      In the view finder the camera calculates the CoF for a 100% crop (and this is dependent on the pixel density). So this will give you 100% pixel sharp results.

      I hope they implemented the CoF for the handholding rule/alert too.

      • Trickles

        Interesting. Sorry for the silly question but what’s the advantage to changing the scale between pixels and mm?

        • umad?!

          Not a stupid question at all!

          Like many things, the important factor is, how big you print (or how much you crop/ big you show your pictures).

          for most things, a scale based on film format is sufficient, since what you care is to get sharp results at small prints, facebook, 500px or whatever.

          If however, you decided to print really big, you would want to know if everything is “really sharp” or “just sharp enough if you stand far enough away”

          • But what will be really nice, is if you can use this “feature” to automatically front focus the lens using the AF system.

          • Fujica

            Never thought of it, but that would be really cool and very helpful for an APS-C camera.

          • umad?!

            yes, you could focus stack by hand using the DoF scale.

            Olympus has a nice focus stack/bracket feature!
            Fuji probably hasn’t the manpower to implement all those nice to have but not really must have gimmicks.

          • One man’s gimmick is another man’s essential.

          • umad?!

            sure.

            Didn’t mean it in an pejoratively way. It’s just a feature, that wasn’t available for years and people had to live with it.

            Anyway: what Olympus is doing on the Software/Feature side is quite impressive.

          • “Didn’t mean it in an pejoratively way.” No, obviously you didn’t, because my statement goes both ways. For example I find automatic bracketing (in any form) a gimmick, yet for many it is an essential feature.

          • I think the cause for doing impressive things with firmware is when you keep using the same core architecture within the successive processors, as well as obviously using the same processor for as long as possible. And to this end keeping the megapixels that must be processed within certain limits essentially frees up resources within the processor for other features. It will thus be quite something to see what this new processor can do if FUJIFILM keeps a known and extraneously tweaked 16MP sensor in front of it.

        • Andreas Grønnegaard Møller

          It’s especially a matter of concern for street photography and any other type of photography where sharpness is secondary to timing.

          The “film format basis” is based on what in the film days was considered reasonable sharpness for a photographic print. On a DoF scale this translate to a wider spectrum of acceptable sharpness around the focus point, making it easier to do things like zone focusing, where you preset your focus point to maximize DoF and increase shooting speed.

          If you print your work, this setting should also give you a better representation of what will appear as in focus on your print, since prints are fundamentally different from digital files made up of pixels.

          • Trickles

            Great answer thanks so much for that Andreas! You helped me learn something new today :-)

      • Phil

        Does that imply that focus peaking will be accurate to a pixel level, too? I’m hoping so – I find the peaking a little too generous as it is, so I pretty much never use it.

        • umad?!

          No, since the data from the sensor is the same anyway. But with a faster sensor readout and a faster processor it could be, that focus peaking was improved too

      • Especially relevant now with 24mp sensor. When I originally went to 24mp with the NEX-7, it was a bit of a learning curve at first due to the habit of viewing everything 1:1 on my 12 and 16mp cameras. I learned pretty quickly that doing that was a great way to feel depressed at all times about IQ when, in fact, the IQ was mathematically better in 99% of cases.

        Once I stopped viewing with more magnification than 1:2, everything became much better. On-screen and print quality levels were much closer.

        Of course, these days I have a 5k iMac so I can view at my typical actual print size (12″x18″) right on screen at something very near my actual print PPI. Totally different world editing photos on this display and well worth having it. In fact, this display is partly what brought me back to Fuji. I was browsing some of my favorite past images and noticed that wherever I had remembered being annoyed by image quality issues due to X-Trans (like the foliage issue) that those problems just weren’t practically visible in real print size/PPI. Just another reminder that what really matters is how the image looks in its final form, not your 100% pixel magnification view on low res displays as many pixel peepers experience things today.

        Anyway, long rambling way of saying that with 24mp sensor in play, it’s quite likely that many shots that seemed like they would be in focus before will be slightly out and it’s interesting to see Fuji addressing the insanity of pixel peepers at the same time as the practicality of people who actually print in this setting’s presence.

  • umad?!

    169 PDAF and 273 total Points. Nice

    • Martin

      A6000 has 179 PDAF points? Might be another sensor? (Hopefully)

      • Lumen

        The other 10 you’ll get in FW 1.1 . Sorry, couldn’t resist.

      • Oliver Twisted

        The A6000 sensor is a good sensor. A different sensor could just as likely mean something inferior to the A6000.

      • umad?!

        I don’t know how often I have said this in the last days, but why not one more time ^^

        1. no, this is absolutely no indication to which sensor is used. There are thousands of focus pixels for each focus point and you can vary the amount of points with soft/firmware. So this could be a sensor similar to the one in the A6000.

        I see some thinking: “Ahhh, I don’t want the A6000 sensor, I don’t like it and it’s for cheap cameras only and Sony is coming out with some super uber sensor in a few months anyway and I want the best tech”
        This leads to
        2. if people say “same sensor” they – most of the time mean – same sensel. (basically the basic idea of a single pixel). But that’s like saying all volkswagen/Audi/Skoda are the same just because they use a similar 2.0L diesel engine.
        there are a lot things that can be done. How thick are the filters in front of the sensor and what exactly are we filtering? How are the microlenses? What about the CFA? Then there is readout …..
        The whole image processing chain is long and there are many ways to differentiate and improve.
        And there are other things too. For example: how about longer shutter times (so that we are no longer shot noise limited). Then it is important, how the heat gets away from the sensor (heatpipes, size and material of the body).

        That all leads us to
        3. the Nikon D500 was just announced with a 20.9MP sensor. And it is very likely that this is no BSI sensor. Why isn’t this the latest and greatest technology?
        Probably just because: 1. most of this greatest and latest ist marketing and 2. see number 2. there are many ways to improve performance (and nikon has traditionally been better with “the same” sensor than sony)

      • ThorstenMUC

        The upcoming Sony A7000 is rumored to have 196 PDAF points… it would be reasonable, that Fujifilm uses this newer BSI sensor.
        Not sure, if 169 and 196 is just the numbers mixed up on one or the other site.

  • MV

    Little comment: ‘Number of the focus points’ should read ‘No. of focus points’. And you don’t need to repeat the word ‘focus points’ in the menu beneath it.

    I love Fuji and this camera looks good. But, details matter. This is a simple proof reading job. Come on guys. Get it right when it hits the stores. Quality control, Fuji!

    • Adomas

      Theyre japs so its ok :D

      • David

        I hope english is not your primary language. Otherwise you know that that terms is derogatory.

        • Mr_Electability

          Fifty years ago, but not always. I’ve heard techies use it when referring to perceived Japanese cleverness and/or electronic manufacturing dominance; e.g., “We’d have to buy that from the Japs b/c there are no more American camera manufacturers.”

          • yoburger

            That doesn’t mean the term is not still derogatory (hint: it is).

          • Mr_Electability

            Terms can be derogatory in some contexts but not others. As an example, I’m half-Italian, and I sometimes use “wop”, “guinea”, and “greaser” in regards to myself, my relatives, and Italians in non-derogatory ways. So did some of my friends, growing up (but sometimes they were indeed derogatory, and I could usually tell when). Then there’s the whole N- word, which some people are allowed to use (including some “white” people) but not others. Or, to move to the truly ridiculous, the offense some people take at “master” and “slave” in reference to computer hardware, where it has a very specific, non-derogatory meaning that most proposed substitutes don’t quite capture.

            Too many people assume that just because a word has had a certain meaning every time they’ve heard it used in the past, it must have that meaning everywhere and at all times. So now we have language police and college-“educated” “victims” who hyperventilate whenever they encounter cultural views unfamiliar to them.

          • Gilboa

            I watch quite a lot of programming on the Discovery channel. Where there are a lot of reality shows (mostly about cars and motorbikes it seems, which is another hobby of mine) based in the South…mainly Texas and they seem to take pride in the term ‘Redneck’ and don’t see it as derogatory…so good for them I’d say! Take what was once a derogatory term and own it! That way you defuse its venom…that’s what Hip-Hop artists like Jay-Z etc…have done with the N-word too.

          • Mr_Electability

            that’s what Hip-Hop artists like Jay-Z etc…have done with the N-word too.

            I dunno about that part. Try calling Jay-Z the N-word and see his reaction — even if you say it in a friendly, non-derogatory way.

          • Gilboa

            That’s what Hip-Hop artists use amongst themselves, is what I meant. I as an outsider would never use such a term, not even in jest. Its the same thing for other ethnic and religious groups I’m not a part of…respect others as you would expect them to respect you, is the gist here.

          • mavfan1

            is “Brits” derogatory to British folk?

          • Mr_Electability

            How about “Yankee” in regards to Americans? :-) Heck, Americans from southern states use it in a derogatory context half the times, but if a foreigner were to advocate the mass killing of Yankees, the rednecks would be more likely to join the army than the Yankees themselves.

            Speaking of which, what about “rednecks”? I once heard a speaker on multiculturalism state that this was no less a derogatory term than the N- word, but them Yankees don’t seem to mind calling me a redneck (even though I’m not, even in the loosest sense of the term).

            This language policing stuff is hard.

          • mavfan1

            Yankee is ok, Yanks is SOOOO insulting! LOL

            Rednecks originated to described whites who got a sunburn on the back of their necks from working in the fields. But it was a derogatory remark based on class instead of race. So, if some damned elitist left-wing yankee calls you a redneck in a derogatory way just remind them it’s a term that originated to describe the working poor and see their face drop in shame. ;-)

    • Wick Wire

      Agreed.

    • This sort of thing – while small – may well be sorted after pre-tests from the Fuji X-photographers in the final checks between pre-prod and general release, either in manufacture or an an v.early FW adjustment.

      • sidtw

        Now I got it. They leaked the menu translation on purpose to find translation errors!!!

    • Oliver Twisted

      Actually, it should just read “FOCUS POINTS.” That would get the ‘point’ across. Including a definite article and a full prepositional phrase in a camera menu listing? lol

      Fuji should be putting us on the payroll.

    • sidtw

      Exactly. Crap translation. But luckily I’m going to switch to Chinese anyway.

      • Patrick

        don’t worry. Fuji will fix it with a Firmware update in 2018

        • sidtw

          I’m not worried at all. :) And if a future firmware is about to correct English menu translations – – i’ll never notice. :)

  • guys, why do i have a butterfly in my stomach feeling that xpro-1 will get a firmware update. hmmm.

    • They have had so many chances to do that – I doubt they will now. I am afraid that might be wishful thinking.

      It would be nice as I am not selling my XP1. It’s not worth much and I love it too much for its reigniting my joy of capturing images.

      I am very attached to it.

    • X-Pro1 processor is so slow, much of the newer capabilities in the X cameras are made possible by faster CPUs. It’s unlikely Fuji would be able to make a meaningful update to the original at this point. It’s kind of like the X-E2s being touted as mainly firmware features. Well yeah, firmware features that require a better CPU, which it will have.

  • Patrick, first of all thanks for working so hard on the site. Not only this rumor but all of the time. One question, do you know when the X-Pro2 will be on sale?

    • Patrick

      Work in progress… ;)

  • Fujica

    I’ll miss one important feature for a ‘Pro’ camera.

    Where can I put in my credentials / initials (whatever its named in english) and copyright information?

    Very basic feature, but so important when you need to deliver your images quickly to your press agent. Its on all other cameras i have owned except for Fuji.

    • The Canon 5D 1 and 2 couldn’t. Just add on import in LR.

      • Fujica

        If there is time for it LR suits well, but in many cases you’ll need to send them asap. Otherwise one of your colleagues may ‘win’ your picture. Fujifilm cameras are great for their JPEGs.

        Therewith I wish for this feature to be added to the exif data straight out of the camera as soon as you press the shutterbuttton.

      • Elephant

        Don’t know original 5D, on the 5DII you could do it for sure…

        • Oh. I had the 5d2 for 3 years and never found/used it.

          Never worked in such a competitive arena I guess either that made it necessary.

          I stand corrected – said the man in orthopaedic shoes.

      • You can with the 5D, using the Canon software to upload it to camera.

    • Surprisingly, this is available even in lower end Nikon DSLRs, and a valid point for anyone doing reportage. That said, you’re almost certainly copying these images into a computer before delivery, whether it be a mobile device for actual computer, where you could use a script or tool to add your default copyright info.

      • Scripts are problematic where you are dealing with other photographers’ work, as well as your own.

        • Fujica

          Both of you are correct :)

          But if it can be done straight in cam, then that’s preferred. No mistakes and its always there.

    • Mr

      Especially one that shoots superb JPGs. I don’t think these images show the entire menu though so it might already be there, but if it’s not (and it probably isn’t), then it should be easy to implement via firmware update. We just have to make them hear it.

  • Should sharpening -3 be labelled ‘softening’!

    To make it possible for people to compare Sony and Fuji glass! 😜

  • I may have missed it but, i see ‘mic’ on the menu – do we have a ‘mic’ socket?
    (if I was foolish enough to try and shoot video>?)

    • Fujica

      Could be important for certain extensions as a remote though.

      I’ll certainly hope there is a mic socket.

    • Gilboa

      If it does have a socket, I hope its the standard 3.5mm version almost everybody else uses and not the 2.5mm version that only allows you to use an external mic by Fuji without an adaptor…if it includes a headphone jack too that may also be a sign that Fuji is taking video a lot more seriously this time around, even if its not 4K yet.

  • J.R.

    The new X100 will have all this in a smaller & lighter package…Zzzz

    • Stealthy Ninja

      … K…

    • Fujica

      X100 F will be Medium Format (i’ll hope).

    • Tony

      Will it also have a butt load of hazing?

  • Mr_Electability

    Patrick, please tell us this isn’t the “tidbit” the Japanese source promised you yesterday. That would suck.

    • Patrick

      of course that’s the tidbit

      will there be more? Sure ;)

      • Mr_Electability

        Oh, more? great :-)

      • I hope you’re keeping the image showing the settings for “Automatic Composition Correction” for last!

      • Mr

        Spreading out the leaks are we? Smart ;-)

        • Patrick

          no, screenshots are over (but I can ask for new ones). But I’m confident to get answers to some more questions

  • Ciro

    That’s one small step for fuji, and a smallest leap for fuji users…
    After such a long wait I would have expected something more!

    • umad?!

      please tell us more ….

      • Ciro

        I’m an user (buyer), not a camera maker! ;-)

        • umad?!

          but it seems you got all information about the camera, so you could tell us, what exactly what is missing ;)

          • Ciro

            :)

      • Bremer

        The zeal with which you have been confronting any commenter that doesn´t have a favourable thing to say about the Xpro2 makes me feel like you are the trusted japanese source :-) Take it easy, it is just a camera.

        • umad?!

          If I were the japanese source would I know what an Eichkatzerlschwoaf is? :P

          Thing is: don’t care if anyone is loving/hating/buying/selling his/her camera.
          Probably not going to buy the X-Pro2 either, since my current cameras deliver outstanding photos and I can print 50×70 without any problems.

          What I really hate is people (who have no idea about physic) commenting about things they don’t understand in a way that wouldn’t be suited in real life. But it’s the internet, who cares ;)

          • Bremer

            ´´Eichkatzerlschwoaf“
            Ist das schwäbisch? Ich hab´s noch nie gehört.

          • umad?!

            Soweit ich weiß Tirolerisch, bzw. am Dreiländereck. Verwende sowas selber auch nicht

          • FrittenTheke

            Des is bayrisch! Und man sagt eigentlich Oachkatzlschwoaf. Österreicher kennen es auch. 😁

          • That word keeps forming a picture of a Smurf in my mind … one carrying Azrael with a puffed tail under his arm.

    • Didiergm

      Like what – you already have New processor, new sensor 24mp, a Gazilion AF points (spread more evenly than on the D500 it seems) , apparently dual card slot, some work on the Video side too plus various bits and pieces …. (like +/- 5 ev exp comp) What else would you have expected on SPECS only ? I mean come on you don’t even have a clue on the IQ and real ergonomics yet

      • sidtw

        Didiergm, don’t bother. Ciro’s comment looks like a troll’s trap.

        • Didiergm

          You’re probably right

        • Ciro

          Troll… :-D

          • Yourfriend

            MeShootYouLongTime

        • Ciro

          The one who does think like you becomes a troll

      • Funkmonkey

        Congratulations, first person in this thread to mention IQ instead of specs. Why are we so so focused on specs. I also think we should stop referring to Image Quality and start talking about Image Niceness/Rendering I don’t know, all I know is that some of the cameras with the best IQ technically leave me cold whereas the images from my X-T1 tick all the boxes I am looking for. I find that Nikon/Sony/Olmypus are all too clinical too clean. Canon are too warm. Leica are too Leica, the Fuji image has this wonderful balance of colour and microcontrast that nods at Leica but is not too overdone. All the above is completely subjective, and if you don’t like it, well done you follow your path. For me its the Image Rendering that speaks to me. I think thats great that there are so many voices out there to choose from as artists we should embrace that as it means we have many choices as to how we express ourselves. I personally love Fender guitars, however I would be gutted if Gibson stopped making les pauls as some of my favorite music was made using one. Art is about creativity, part of that is technique, but technique should be transparent, it should be like changing gear in your car something that happens autonomously, thats why we practice so that we can effortlessly execute that which occurs in our imagination. Technical specs on a camera are just that, they in now way reflect the ease with which you can execute and achieve your vision, different people have different visions and different cameras will be nearer to different peoples visions. The minute you say one camera is better than another you are saying that one persons artistic vision is better than anothers. This is art not sport there are no winners and losers, there should be no better or worse, just different and we should applaud those differences otherwize in 20 years everyone will be taking photos with an Iphone and that is my idea of hell.

        • Didiergm

          I fully agree with you. When I was on Nikon my two most preferred bodies where the D1x and the D2Hs as it happens both had “strange” sensors but they were different not as clinical. Frankly I do not care much for the 3,000,000 ISO of the D5 (D500?) : If I take a picture of black cats fighting at night in a coal mine I expect to hardly see anything – that’s life (unless I am a navy Seal dispatched to capture said cats, but that’s another story :))

          Fuji is slightly different from the pack in as much as some of their lenses haver an almost “3D” look, that many people praise the simple pleasure of having these bodies in hand, and I believe this translates in the images we produce.

  • matthewfranklincarter

    Have we any word on tethering yet? I too am hoping for an X-Pro 1 update. PS, just curious, for all the trolls in the room who are complaining…. any of you guys lost jobs because of any of these things? Quit whining or go start your own camera company. Fuji has done an incredible job of making great gear at great prices with exceptional support. The big guys don’t update the cameras for crap. They just release new models and make your cameras obsolete.

    • Fujica

      Huh? Where does your sudden rant come from?

    • sidtw

      I’d welcome an update to the X-Pro1 as well, but I guess that’s not gonna happen. But, of course, dreams aren’t illegal: color selection of focus peaking would be nice. And turning the image inside the EVF for vertical shots.

  • I own a X-E2. Is this overall layout similar to the existing menu in the T1/T10? Or is far left icon bar entirely new? Any rumor whether all the upper end cameras will adopt this newer scheme?

    • Didiergm

      Not the same on the T1.
      The menu is redesigned, expanded and seems more self explanatory

      If I was to hasard a guess, I’d say it is probably the new layout to be adopted by high end models sharing the new processor (ie unlikely on the X-E2s)

  • sidtw

    For me — an X-Pro1 user since DEC 2012 — this menu looks incredible. I don’t know any other Fuji camera. But this upcoming version of the X-Pro looks like a very substantial upgrade. I’m extremely excited. It’s excruciating to wait for the price to drop a bit.

    I’m most excited for the following (what’s lacking in the X-Pro1):
    AF speed
    face/eye detection
    lens modulation optimizer
    MF assist / split image in OVF
    rotating image for portrait shots
    WR
    Grain effect (!!!)
    More film simulations

    • Gilboa

      I hope the lens modulation optimiser feature will be transferable to photo editors now…like Iridient Developer etc…and not just in-camera like on the X-E2 (the first Fuji camera to use this).

      • umad?!

        Since most don’t even know what LMO does (and Fuji doesn’t really say either) I guess that is not happening.

        Which is bad, because I would love to see it too!

      • t_linn

        +1

  • Initial thoughts… nice!

    Some things stood out which I do not believe were noted or highlighted anywhere before. Sure, most if not all are probably not new to the X cameras, but it’s new for the X-Pro line specifically and welcomed it has updated features to at least match the most current X models to date.

    What stood out to me looking at these:

    1) More video recording options than just 60p (which was the only thing I think was ever stated). Hopefully, they got their video at least at a respectable level. I know there’s no 4K, but at least the HD 1080 should be at a decent and higher quality and standard than what’s been available in the past. Like my OM-D E-M5 MkII, it’s not the best, but at least there’s some effort to show Olympus is taking video recording a little more seriously. Not that I do much video, but it would be welcomed to know if Fuji has something less to complain about in this area that has probably been it’s weakest.

    2a) Face and Eye detect is there, great. It does make composing and focusing a lot easier and fluid process.

    2b) Touching on making composing a shot easier and more fluid, I see they also have Interlock Spot AE and Focus Area. Nice to have this option

    3) Autorotate PB – Is this not the same as what the X-T1 has where the information auto rotates in the viewfinder depending if it’s portrait or landscape? Nice to have this in the X-Pro2 as well. Hopefully, they will also have this for the rear screen… still baffles me (and some others) why they don’t implement the autorotation of information with the rear screen as well, it only makes sense to also have that function/feature.

    4) Number of focus points. I’m not entirely clear how setting 77 or 273 focus points works and effects af. Anybody care to explain or enlighten me on this feature? Thanks in advance.

    5) Along with noise reduction, I think they’ve added a few more levels of sharpness adjusting as well. Nice they have more levels, hopefully that will be an practical and meaningful application that makes noticeable difference.

    —-

    Hopefully soon, we’ll also get a look at the Hybrid Viewfinder. I’m curious how they’ve implemented it this time. I hope the EVF mode will offer just as nice viewing as the X-T1, if not better (please be even better). The OVF.. well, my main concern is I hope they have the same Electronic Rangefinder mode like in the X100T.. perhaps make that ND filter window that pops up to display point of focus a tiny bit larger and more clear and/or brighter. It would be awesome if it’s not confined to just the lower right corner, but somehow floats and moves around along with the frame lines when manual focusing so it even more closer replicates the way a real rangefinder looks and operates.. it’s pretty darn close as far as mimicking the practice of a manual focusing like a rangefinder… i’m hoping they can advance the tech to make that focus patch float around the middle instead of just confined to the lower right corner. Overall, as far as the EVF is concerned, I hope the refresh rate will be improved (I know it’s very good in the X-T1 and X-E2, but always room for making it even faster refresh rate) and noise at low light situations is less noisy.. makes focusing, even with focus peaking, difficult how noisy the evf can get in low light situations.. it renders the ERF mode pretty useless as the focusing patch window is already so small.. add darkness and heavy noise, forget about it.

    … and, any more pics of possible color variants of the X-Pro2?

    Thanks for sharing what you can get from your source so far!

    • MV

      I hear you about your wish that electronic rangefinder mode has an EVF that sits on top of the OVF, instead of in a dinky little screen in the corner. Unfortunately I don’t think the tech is in place for that yet. My money is on a brighter EVF mini-screen with better refresh. Perhaps even with two user-selectable sizes (the body would need two different pop-up flaps for that) so you could adapt your choice to the lens size.

      • Unfortunately, I think you’re right, but wishful thinking, none the less.. I’d like to think these comments are read and translated over to Fuji engineers to help make always improvements on their current and future models.

        I will gladly accept a brighter mini-screen with better refresh.. that should help improve the ERF experience.. along with the main EVF, if they could further improve with less noise in low light situations, as much as possible.

  • Phil Gordon

    This all looks very nice,I just hope the proof is in the pudding.
    My old Canon 5D is this producing shots with better dynamic range and tone than my Fuji XE-2,I hope the Xpro2 lifts the bar. I`m on the verge of moving on from Fuji.

    • David

      well, considering your 5D (mark 2, I guess?) was out before the X-E2, you knew what you were getting in to. I wouldn’t expect the X-Pro 2 to produce files better than current FF cameras.

  • MeShootYouLongTime

    Even Nikon has 4k now…

    • umad?!

      at least for 3 minutes and in 2x crop that is ;)

      Better implement a feature right than in that way.

      But yes, it would be nice to see 4k in the Fujis soon!

      • MeShootYouLongTime

        30 min on crop D500. Dem reading skillz

        • umad?!

          still on a 2x crop. GH4 has that with log profile and better framerates/bitrates.

          So the D500 gets raped by a 2 year old camera. way to go ;)

    • sidtw

      the new Nikon D5 & D500 – 3 min for 4k video – – LOL

      • MeShootYouLongTime

        That’s the D5, D500 can do 30 min. Gotta read before you talk, son

        • david

          well, the Nikon P900 has 2000mm tele length. DOES YOUR D5 HAS THAT?
          thought not. my camera wins…

          • MeShootYouLongTime

            I shoot Canon

          • sir_c

            You shoot cannon you mean

          • MeShootYouLongTime

            In a previous career I did, I was pretty good at it but now I m even better with my Canons ;)

          • Rediscover Film

            You should be shooting Samsung. The specs of the NX1 trump everything from your Nikon and Canon.

        • umad?!

          So the D5 is a worse camera then the D500 then? ;)

          Srsly I would really like to discuss the D500, since it’s an awesome camera, but I think nikonrumors or some photo forum would be the better place ;)

        • sidtw

          You’re right. According to Matt Granger, the d500 will do 4K 29.59 internal in one recording, but it splits the file into 3 minute chunks. The D5 is flat out limited to 3 mins recording. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzqTeahNF1w)

          • MeShootYouLongTime

            Not saying Nikon is killing it w7 their 4k implementation but at least they have it. My 1Dc still slaughters the D5

    • brian

      Even iPhone has 4K now ;-)

  • MeShootYouLongTime

    So for the roughly the same price, Nikon gives you 10 fps with tracking, probably the best AF system in the world, 4k, 51000 native ISO etc pp. Makes the Xpro2 seem like a not so good value proposition.

    But it has dat joystick, tho!

    • umad?!

      oh come on, you have been trolling sonyrumors the whole day – did they ban you or why are you here?

      But yes, the Fuji has higher resolution, more AF points, both a OVF as well as EVF and many other things. Makes the D500 really bad value I guess ;)

      • MeShootYouLongTime

        umad?

        • umad?!

          no
          U Troll ;)

          • MeShootYouLongTime

            great, i thought I hurt your feelings for a second. Most people couldn’t care less about the hipster controls and OVF without foussing aids

          • umad?!

            ok. If you say so …

          • david

            woha hipster controls…
            you might never had a x-camera to shoot with, i assume?

            maybe it is hipster-like, but it serves a purpose. i really enjoy the controls.
            plus the fuji does have a hybrid OVF WITH focussing aids, for your information and it is really great. i love my x100t for this feature alone.

            how do you check correct focus on your nikon? right, you watch it on the lcd screen later…

          • David

            Well, this probably isn’ t the camera for them then. So what?

    • David

      I have absolutely 0 need for 10fps, 4k, or 51000 native ISO. Zero. Therefore, their presence on other cameras does nothing to affect the value proposition.

    • Hector

      Yes but not hybrid viewfinder which is the only reason to buy this camera.

    • Leif Eliasson

      You don’t understand it is all about love and enjoyment when you use the camera. I’ve gone from Nikon D3, D800 and a lot of nice lenses. But I came to the conclusion that I deliver more creative and innovative pictures with a camera I enjoy to use.

      • shigzeo

        Absolutely important. But just because you, or I, may love to use the X or the D, does not mean another will or will not.

        Arguments from emotion attachment do not make product a better than b.

    • sir_c

      So instead of a car you buy a truck, cos it can take 500 litres of fuel and carry a 40 tonnes load.

      • Pappy

        And you hope exposure will be accurate.

      • Cat

        Therein lies the difference between hobbyists and pro’s. You want an experience, everyone else wants a tool that works.

    • Solomon Beauregard Bennet

      Trolling today?

      • MeShootYouLongTime

        The truth not = trolling :)

    • sidtw

      Specs nazi ;p

      I used continuous mode 6fps about 2 times in 3.5 years. Yeah. So even if the d500 would shoot 20fps for 20 minutes – this doesn’t make it a more viable option for me.

      • shigzeo

        Which is fine. But that’s the same thing as arguing that a camera is made or unmade by any single feature that applies to your uses. No product is made or unmade by a single user’s singular needs. Another person may use high FPS counts, another not.

        By the same argument, the X-T1 is pointless because you don’t need 5fps.

    • siahphoto

      But where is the shutter and iso dial?

      • shigzeo

        How do those things matter? If you like faux retro controls, get a higher end X camera. If you don’t, don’t. Like it or not, Nikon’s non-Df camera use interfaces that are quicker and less convoluted between exposure, shutter speed, and ISO controls.

        X cameras have at least two controls for each, where Nikon have only one. If universal controls are important, Nikon is more apt. If you don’t mind being limited to full stop exposures, and the loss of aperture rings or unlabelled aperture rings, and don’t mind using a completely separate control system to access third and half exposure stops, X is more apt. But it is less conceptually firm.

        • siahphoto

          No way man, the Fuji is way faster from being off to turning on and getting a correctly exposed shot. I can pre set my exposure without even turning the camera on so yeah those things do matter

          • shigzeo here (I was on my phone, which only allows me to log in the shigzeo account).

            I understand that you can change manual exposure to full stops. I understand that you have a visual setting for exposure compensation.

            But neither of those functions mean that you get a correctly exposed shot. That depends on your understanding of the light, measuring, and/or many other settings.

            I assume that for exposure comp, you would leave shutter speed and aperture alone. That is unless you have pre-measured the entire scene, but in that case, you’re not worried about speed.

            There is no X camera with which you can directly go from full to third stops using the same control. All but a handful of lenses reset to infinity focus the moment you turn them off, or the moment you review a photo.

            I agree that there is the _illusion_ of speed, but there is no real advantage. Saying all of that, I don’t own a Nikon or a Canon. The only Mirrorless cameras I have are:

            Leica M240
            Sony A7r
            Fujifilm X-T1
            I also owned an X-Pro 1

            Of the above, only the X cameras require a person (who uses manual exposure) to use at least two different interfaces (full stops on the exposure dial, third on the unlabelled dial at the back, or the T setting and the unlabelled dial) to get your manual exposure.

            As you know, it’s not a big waste of time, but it IS a poor design that works against muscle memory. The Leica Q also uses a similar set up, which is poor, especially considering Leica’s general simple design principles.

            You would be right to say: “Fuji is way faster from being off to turning on and seeing what you’ll get”. That goes without saying. EVFs and LCD previews generally allow that. But it’s nothing new, nor is it revolutionary. But if you mistrust your camera’s metering, and EVF is wonderful for real-timie adjustment.

            It is exposure preview, not external and partially labelled controls, that makes it faster to nail exposure from ON.

    • Rediscover Film

      Only 10? You poor chap. The Samsung NX1 does 15fps. Records better quality 4K than the D500 with focus peaking during record (sorry, poor D500 and D5 don’t even have focus peaking). It even records it in a futuristic format H.265. The NX1 also has more megapixels at 28. It’s sensor is back side illuminated too. It is also way less than $2000.

      Why are you still talking about Nikon? Samsung beat all these specs over a year ago.

  • bubobubo

    I’ll wait until the price drops to 300 EURO as for X-Pro1

    • MeShootYouLongTime

      Or just wait 2 more years until Fuji gives up on the X line and get it for almost nothing

      • Gilboa

        Unfortunately that just might happen! Hope it doesn’t though.

      • shigzeo

        Or, it would become a collector’s item and price would stabilise.

  • Phuong Dinh

    I can’t believe they put face/eye detection in a camera that’s supposed to deliver the purest photography experience. I can tolerate video but this has gone too far.

    • Hector

      You are not forced to used it but it is very helpful for people shooting events like weddings.

    • sidtw

      I’m tolerating cosmic radiation every day. I’m really thinking about switching planets soon.

    • MeShootYouLongTime

      buy a Leica then. Oh you can’t afford one…poor chap

      • shigzeo

        If a person can afford to upgrade mirror less at every generation or sell their old camera to purchase a new one, they can afford a Leica.

    • Mr

      We’re pretty much forced to use auto-focus these days, it’s already automated, the purity there is already gone if you have to see it that way, so the least they can do is make sure it does exactly what it should.

      • Pappy

        +1, It’s almost impossible to get correct focus (manually) with a modern camera, magic lines (only recommend what would be selected by AF).focus by wire, hardly accurate when compared with the feel of a manual connection and the loss of any real focussing aid such as a fresnel.

        • Mr

          Exactly, in the conditions this is meant to be used, you’d either be continually adjusting the focus point, or you’re having a battle you can’t win with focus by wire.

          It’s this ability to tell the camera what you need it to do beforehand that allows you to focus(!) on everything else that matters, rather than being consumed by one thing, and that is the purest photography experience.

        • Antony

          Manual focusing using highlight peaking provides considerably better manual focus at large apertures than a fresnel screen on most older cameras due to direct readout from the sensor as opposed to relying on exact alignment of focus screen with film plane. Additionally, older photographers with poorer eyesight struggle with a traditional fresnel screen. As a photographer who has used manual focus cameras for the past 30 years, I can comfortably say that my critical focus at wide apertures has improved through the implementation of highlight peaking. Sure it’s a different experience, and one may enjoy an older style system more (personal preference) but a comment like “It’s almost impossible to get correct focus (manually) with a modern camera” is complete bull.

          • Mr

            .. when using true manual focus lenses. But we were talking focus by wire which surely is near hopeless for anything even remotely moving. Especially in the demanding conditions where eye detection actually matters over ‘simple’ face detection or other modes.

          • sidtw

            True, but you aren’t exactly trying to shoot a running cat at f/1.2 in MF mode, are you?

          • Mr

            Dude, the subject here was FACE/EYE DETECTION.

          • sidtw

            Are you saying face detection doesn’t work with cat faces? That’s a bummer if that’s true. :(

          • Mr

            Just saying all this was in response to Phuong, who did not even mention MF.

            The guy claims or feels eye detection is a step to far. I’m saying that in terms of automation, it makes no difference whether you select a focus ‘point’ manually, or a focus ‘mode’ that is required to get the job done properly. Since neither are actually manual.

            That is the nature of using AF lenses, and anything else automatic, it needs to be told what to do. So anything you can do to make sure it understands the situation perfectly is not giving away control, it’s taking control.

            Anyway. Highly doubt it would work with animals. Since such an algorithm is not just about the eyes but the context they’re in, meaning facial shape. Without that context too many things would look like eyes to a computer. If no face is detected, it doesn’t even try looking for eyes within that area.

          • sidtw

            Thanks for your detailed reply. I’m an xpro1 user, so face detection sounds like technology from a different planet for me. ;p

            This makes me wondering now how the algorithm is designed to differ between human and animal faces. Because we all know, sometimes this difference isn’t very clear…

            And if human faces aren’t a problem, animal faces should really be fun. Everything with an eye or two or more could be detected as a face. Make this an additional option in the face detection settings, why not?

          • Mr

            Well human faces are a problem, it’s really difficult so it’s amazing that it works. And it isn’t that it purposely avoids animals, it’s just not designed to recognize them (yet). It think some cameras actually might have that feature already, not sure. For Fuji i’m guessing there are more important things to work on at the moment.

            But yea if something looks like a face then it detects a face. Including a portrait that might be on the wall behind the actual subject, or indeed any animal that happens to have facial features matching those it was designed to look for. It doesn’t know any better. :)

    • Blocked

      Stop crying ! Just shoot a mechanical film camera !

    • sir_c

      Screw some adapted M42 lens on it, gaffer tape the LCD and be done with it.
      Question: do you also switch off traction control, ABS and the airbags when you step into your car?

    • James Whitehouse

      Eye detect AF is one of the best inventions of recent times. It’s amazing. If you don’t like it, turn it off!

  • Hector

    AF points are too much!

    • Fujica

      You can bring them down to 77 in the menu. (7*11)

      • Hector

        That’s nice.

      • ;-)

        Better use the move mountains funcion in the hidden Menue. You could also tell youre subject to step into focus. Damm

    • MeShootYouLongTime

      …Said no pro photog ever!

      • Hector

        Like Ansel Adams and Henri Cartier-Bresson?

        • MeShootYouLongTime

          They would today . Hipster name dropping, that’s all you got?

          • Hector

            Truth is what I got.

          • All lenses under 35mm can (theoretically) be placed in “snapshot mode” and looking at the photographs of those two persons mentioned, I’ll venture to say that that is indeed what they would have done today.

      • Depends on how the firmware chooses between AF points. For example, I’ve noticed that on my old EOS 3 (which has 45 AF points) it would essentially use that point which is the nearest to achieving focus.

        • Rediscover Film

          Why don’t you use eye detect on your EOS 3. It is suppose to pick the point the camera senses your iris looking at. I’ve been curious myself how that worked. Glad to see others still shooting film!

          • Glasses. But yeah, I’d love to see somebody bring back an improved eye-controlled AF. Probably we will, as the patent expires about now.

  • David

    A year ago I saw people on these forums saying that 4k was unimportant for what they do. Now a year later it is a deal breaker if a camera, that focuses on stills, doesn’t have it? I call BS.

    • sidtw

      These are different people.

      • Mr

        More like one troll vs everybody else. ;-)

    • MeShootYouLongTime

      no 4k = falling behind. Just like using a 2013 sensor in your flagship product…

      • David

        falling behind what? Falling behind in a race they are not running? Who cares? The X-Pro2 is very clearly not the camera for someone who wants to shoot 4k. That person should not buy the X-Pro2. I think Fuji was and is aware of that.

      • Fujica

        Not necessarily, but at least in your mind.

        I for example gives a shit if it will have video or not.
        This is a photographers tool not a video camera.

        I do however as a photographer care about what type of sensor is being used. So new gen sensor and no video is not falling behind for those that use a photographic camera for what its meant to be used for. Which is taking photos.

        If I was a professional videographer I would take a dedicated videocamera anytime above a clumsy photographic camera.

        You put a nail into wood with a hammer not with a chainsaw.

        • Cat

          Fuji need video if they want to be commercially successful and they know it and acknowledged it a long time ago.

          Xtrans 1 and 2 just doesn’t work with video, hence why they are years behind everyone else on that and hence why they lose many sales to m43 and Sony FF.

          Fuji cannot survive on a hundred or so hipsters who buy the camera for hipster retro pure ideologies.

          If they want to sell they need to atleast keep up with the competition.

          Ps if you don’t want video fuji isn’t for you as video is a feature on all cameras. Perhaps try a df or a brick.

          • Rediscover Film

            Hipsters? Don’t forget the growing list of professionals (X Photographers like Zack Arias, David Hobby, etc). I haven’t seen a single Pro using a Sony A6000 plastic fantastic.

        • t_linn

          Have no issue with anyone who doesn’t need video capabilities in a stills camera but, unless you are specifically referring to the rangefinder design, I know plenty of video professionals who use this type of camera for pro video. It is particularly useful for folks who need to travel with minimal gear and capture both stills and usable video.

          Your hammer/chainsaw analogy limps. There are different kinds of specialized hammers for different uses however it is possible to use one hammer across different uses if you don’t want to carry four at a time.

      • Rediscover Film

        Enjoy shooting 3 minute 4K clips on your $6500 Nikon D5. Because that is useful…

        Most people don’t even know what 4K is. They definitely don’t have a monitor to display it. But yep, it is a deal breaker. You are such a troll.

  • Gilboa

    The change to the menu’s is mainly in the typography, giving it a more contemporary cleaner look. Like the change from iOS 6 to iOS 7 on the iPhone. Still seems more meandering than Canon’s though, but better than Nikon (pre touch enabled) Sony and Olympus.

    • shigzeo

      That Sony A7 menu… Gosh. It’s worse than SARS.

  • Saeed Adeli

    xpro-2 or a7ii? it is hard to decide which one to get for the same price?

    a7ii as being FF supports me to use my old canon and contax lenses (i have about 9 of them, collected them many years ago when they were new) by only using cheap adapters… using old lenses from 35mm film era with crop sensor cameras like this fuji is not straight forward.

    however, i like the hybrid VF of xpro2, specially the OVF, which I am hoping it reproduces contax G1 experience.

    if i had the budget, i would definitely get the leica m-p 240 (FF + OVF). Now i am between xpro2 and a7ii… what would you do?

    • sidtw

      I’d sell my house and buy a small island in the Pacific. You don’t need to worry too much in your life. And especially not about photography.

      • MuscleMan

        Agreed. Cheers!

      • shigzeo

        Make sure that island has a bit of lift from the sea. That stuff is rising.

    • David

      me, personally, having used the X-Pro1 for a long time? I would rent an X-Pro1 and see how much you like the OVF. I always loved the idea, but in practice I just didn’t like it. I think the stronger argument in favor of the Fuji is the traditional controls. The Sony will produce a technically better photo, and IBIS is sometimes a useful feature.

    • MeShootYouLongTime

      Xpro2, A7ii is a laggy, clunky POS

    • Fujica

      This is a question like.

      Do I want to drive a fast BMW or do I want drive more luxurious Benz.

      • But ultimately purchase a Renault.

        • Saeed Adeli

          i would say a Jeep!

      • meh

        Just get the Tesla… ;)

    • James Whitehouse

      Owning both an A7rii and an X-T1, on which I use both native and adapted (Zeiss/Contax Yashica) lenses, I can offer some opinions and experience, FWIW-

      For me, where the Fuji shines most is in MF mode, either with native or adapted glass. The split view mode (with the full frame, and the separate focus patch) on the X-T1, and I’m assuming X-Pro 2, really is superb, and the best of all worlds for MF. In contrast, I find Sony bodies quite clunky for MF – peaking isn’t sufficiently accurate for high MP sensors, and when you zoom in to focus, you can’t see your composition any more. Not very nice. Also even zoomed in, it can be hard to judge pin sharp focus on the Sony if you haven’t got sufficient contrast. Here, Fuji’s split image focus patch is also superior.

      I prefer the X-T1 ergonomics, but the Sony feels more solidly put together. I prefer the EVF on the Sony, but not by much.

      Fuji has nicer native lenses, and more nice primes, and a more consistent lineup right now. Also their lenses are about half the price of equivalent Sony/Zeiss glass.

      The A7Rii has considerably better technical image quality than the X-T1 sensor, especially if you shoot raw and use Lightroom, BUT with the A7ii that’s far from certain, as the new Fuji X-Pro 2 sensor is unknown yet and who knows, it might be stellar – have to wait for that one.

      It looks, at present, like a big difference between the two will be IBIS if you’re using primes and adapted lenses (Fuji zooms have excellent OIS). This is not a small thing. Once you get used to 5-Axis IBIS, it is hard to give it up. Olympus and now Sony have a big advantage here, and particularly Sony which works with adapted lenses. I set my down press on the rear dial to Steadyshot focal length and it’s literally one button press to adjust when I put a different adapted lens on.

      The A7Rii AF is very, very good. Eye-AF is stunning and actually really works. The A7ii, again, is not quite as renowned in that regard and who knows whether an X-Pro 2 will match or exceed it?

      Don’t know whether any of that helps, just my 2p.

      • Saeed Adeli

        it definitely did. thanks for sharing experience.

        my problem seems being away from all these advanced tech for a long time and not with the cameras itself… having no good sense of OIS, AF is shameful but it also sets me free to chose the best image quality with the most fun factors :) I shoot photos for fun

        I hope the xpro2 with all those retro design, film-like controls/dials and the OVF takes me there… I should wait and see the sensor performance against noise… I also should research about lens adaptation with XF mount.

      • Walter

        Indeed thanks for this rare-in-online-forums thoughtfulness.

        I’ve been shooting with the XT-1 since it came out. I had a Nex-6 before. I am so very pleased with the image of the Fuji relative to the Sony’s until I began to look at the A7rii. The color of both are wonderful and the ergonomics of the Sony are much, much better than the original A7, etc.

        When I’m shooting quickly in events and a documentary context, I’ve come to rely on auto focus in ways I never did before. This is me evolving in how and what I shoot.

        Until about three months ago, I’d have said, of course the X-Pro2 but now I’m weighing AF performance, the need to improve DR, the lack of IBIS demanding higher ISO in available light doc scenarios.

        Man, if a D750 had a silent shooting mode, I’d quite likely suck up the form factor as the image quality is immense and the body comparable to the X-Pro2 in cost.

        I am, however, very drawn to having access to both an EVF and an optical VF — flash work and longer exposures when even turning off the exposure preview doesn’t cut it. I’ve already invested these great Fuji primes…

        Interesting times.

    • yaley

      Asking this on a Fuji forum it’s quite logical what answer you’ll get, isnt it? ;)
      So I am going to vote for the A7II. And that’s just because of the sensor size. Shoot with fullframe once and you’ll fall in love with it. Also IBIS. Handheld shots at 1/8 are amazing.

  • wincros

    Patrick,
    Can you request an image? Lots of people would love to know whether AE bracketing has a wider range.

    • Patrick

      Will ask and do my homework

  • MeShootYouLongTime

    Fuji’s marketing department is really good (I am marketing manager for an SMB) that they can sell this cam for $1700 or so. On specs alone it gets slaughtered by the competition. No hate, professional admiration actually. Even though I’m not gonna buy one.

    • Zuikocron

      So an SMB managers job is to go to Fujirumors, Sonyrumors and Co. to tell the world how crappy their cameras are and that D5, D500 are way superior? (I guess Nikon is crapping their pantsm since they have nothing to compete mirrorless ;))

      • MeShootYouLongTime

        Marketing manager, not the boss unfortunately. I am sick in bed, so that’s why you are blessed with my attention. Thank you for your sympathy :)

      • MeShootYouLongTime

        D500 is superior to any other crop and most FF cams. Fact

        • Hector

          It is faster and that’s all about it.

        • Didiergm

          Says who ?
          On paper the XPro2 is superior : More AF points (woohooh), More megaPixels (Whaaahaa), cheaper (whiiihii), and the killer feature : is compatible with Fuji excellent lenses

        • Piero

          Did you tried it!? Someone used it!?
          Fact!? Wow you know the future…

        • Rediscover Film

          You are a tool. You have not even shot with it as it isn’t available till March. Also, it is inferior to the X series when it comes to size, weight, sound (It will have a louder shutter, FACT), and being descrete. As far as image quality you can’t say as neither camera is even available.

          Take your mindless dribble elsewhere. Adults are having a conversation.

      • Antonio

        By now it should be taken as granted that DSLRs and mirrorless systems are just different options and not sticking with this rotten “ball game”.
        Nikon will compete with Fujifim when they offer something other than their 1 sys, and by then you will have plenty of oportunities to make comparisons.
        For the time being you can buy Fuji and if it meets your needs use it and forget about Nikon, Canon, Sony or whatelse…I’m sure it will contribute to your peace of mind and to bring you better results.

    • umad?!

      I love you – you really make it funny around here ::)

      • MeShootYouLongTime

        What better than educating fellow photogs about the truth can you do when your sick in bed during skiing holiday :P

    • What does the competition charge for a rangefinder style optical viewfinder?

      • Chris

        Rangefinder or not it’s not a deciding factor of a great camera. I don’t know about others but I won’t pay any attention whether it’s a evf or ovf or hvf.

        • That is like not paying any attention to the engine in a Ferrari.

          • Chris

            Engine… So as engine is the core function of your fancy car, the viewfinder took pictures for you? Fanboy.

            To me, it’s more like buying a car based on dashboard design.

          • I thougt they did. I also thought it took them even longer than with an X-Pro1, because they had to put the Film into the Viewfinder. ;)

          • Chris

            I really think the industry needs to make a belief driver or such things that use emotion energy to power up cameras and process pictures.

          • If you don’t care about the dashboard, why buy a car that is mostly known and expensive because of it’s fancy unique dashboard?

          • Chris

            That’s because you only see the exterior. Like Toyota uses rubber timing belts these days. Who even cares if it’s metal or not since you cant see it.

          • shigzeo

            No it isn’t. The engine is more like the processing engine (sensor included). The OVF is more like the cockpit and control interface.

      • CHD

        You would have a point if it was actually a rangefinder, but it is not…it’s an average OVF.

        • It is an HVF that does offer some advantages over a rangefinder. And it is unique. Rangefinders are nice, i love them. But the HVF is so much more versatile.

          • CHD

            I When I owned my X-Pro1 I only used the OVF for a short period and then used the EVF 90% of the time. I found the OVF to be way too inaccurate with the framelines.

          • Rediscover Film

            What do you mean inaccurate? You realize the framelines were something like 85% coverage? So you’ll get more in your image than the box in viewfinder. If you didn’t have the corrected AF frame on, then you likely has AF errors. I don’t know why that is even a menu option it should always be on. I only shoot my X-Pro1 when j want to use the OVF. If I’m doing EVF I’ll shoot the X-T1.

      • Hector

        On point.

      • shigzeo

        Many early point and shoot digital cameras were rangefinder style non-interchangeable lens OVF cameras.

        Even the zoom able OVF is old news. What is unique is the overlay of EVF detail in the OVF.

        It is sophistry to compare the X-Pro with a rangefinder camera unless you also compare the myriad early point and shoots or modern high-end OVF compacts from Canon etc. The two are completely different.

        • Hector

          Not entirely, actually the hybrid viewfinder offers many advantages a traditional rangefinder can’t. A traditional rangefinder’s viewfinder advatage over Fuji’s hybrid viewfinder is only manual focus.

          • (shigzeo here, but from computer)

            I didn’t say that Fujifilm’s hybrid didn’t have advantages over rangefinder (or other viewfinder systems). I said that comparing the hybrid OVF X camera price to a focus-in-finder rangefinder camera (what we typically think of a rangefinder today) without noting that ‘rangefinder style optical viewfinder’ has been around for ever, and on very very cheap cameras, is sophistry.

            Edit: forgot the word ‘camera’ before the word ‘price’ in the second sentence.

    • Grappo

      It’s really the T-series cameras that are put in the front line in the sales war. The E-series could have been standing there too, shoulder to shoulder, if it hadnt gone awol during this E2s “update” debacle..

      • MeShootYouLongTime

        Oh yeah, well their marketing seems to suck as much as their cameras lmao

    • Mardock

      “On specs alone it gets slaughtered by the competition…”

      Tell us, oh wise one: slaughtered exactly how?

    • Hector

      As far as I know there is not other interchangeable lens camera with hybrid viewfinder on the market.

    • z4r9

      Gearheads have tunnel vision for specs. Like any tool, what makes a good camera is a balance of form, usability, specification, build quality, etc.

  • Fingerpuk

    Still nothing about the sensor. The only thing that really matters.

    • sidtw

      The sensor is not even half the rent.

    • shigzeo

      If that was all that mattered, you’d be better off buying a kit and assembling a camera yourself. Good products are ALWAYS the sum of their parts, not a macro focus on a single feature or spec.

  • Fingerpuk

    And card slot setting, nothing about two slots (backup, roll over etc).

    • Ray

      Look closer. Don’t just look at the highlighted menu (below “Card Slot Setting (Sequential)”) ;)

  • Chris

    I guess the only thing i care about is the price tag.

  • Andrey Simakov

    Would be nice to meet all this stuff on X-E2 after FW update. And on X-E2s as well. They won’t plan to update X-E series radically so let it be tiny face lifting for the same price tag as E2 on start. And same FW for present E2 who has it. Nobody will loose anything. Fuji will get respect one more time.

    • dhs4006

      I just hope we can get a FW the same as X-T1’s 4.0…

    • z4r9

      The X Pro2 is a new generation of camera. I doubt any of the features will be backported to the last generation.

  • Pixel mapping would be a nice addition to the X-T1 – I’ve had to send my camera for remapping already.

    • t_linn

      Yes, it would. I haven’t sent mine in but I need to.

  • Felix

    I would be keen to know the specs on the EVF. One of the weakness of XP1

    • dhs4006

      Not worse than the X-T1’s, I promise.

  • t_linn

    Does the “Corrected AF Frame” setting have to do with the hybrid viewfinder? I’m not familiar with that one.

    • Rjm789

      Yes

    • Just like in the X100’s and X-Pro1 which are currently the only X cameras that have the hybrid viewfinders, when using the OVF mode is where the Corrected AF Frame comes to play.. throws on 2 focusing squares that are off set at a diagonal. they represent the focus point at infinity (The one closer to the center) and the one that’s going off towards the bottom right represents minimal focus distance. A green AF box will appear anywhere in between the infinite and minimal distance focus boxes to show you where you focus actually is and the frame lines adjusts when it does.

      Corrected AF Frame only shows when you use autofocus… though, I really wished they’d also use when doing manual focus. It’s a pretty good reference to estimate where you should direct your focus point over (cause you can’t actually see exactly where it is when using the OVF).. through practice and experience you judge where the AF point should be and use the back button focus to help lock focus and then fine tune manually. The 2 boxes at least give you some idea as to visually guess where in space the focus point should be depending on your subject and distance to the subject.

      Kind of hard to explain if you’ve never used it, but once you do, it makes more sense how it works.

      Admittedly, you’re dealing with parallax issues and guestimating final framing and it’s not the most efficient or accurate way to focus, but I really like this unique option on the X-Pro & X100’s.. gives you another unique way to focus and compose a shot optically.. and it’s kind of fun when you start to get the hang of it and seeing you’re actually nailing the image near exactly the way you may have imagine picturing the final image in your head.

      • t_linn

        Thanks, Wing Yip. Can’t say that I fully appreciate how this works but I get the general idea.

        • You may have missed the edit I added to my comment, but, I’d add to this by saying (again here) you’re dealing with parallax issues and guestimating final framing and it’s not the most efficient or accurate way to focus, but I really like this unique option on the X-Pro & X100’s.. gives you another unique way to focus and compose a shot optically.. the quick way to reference and check if you’ve correctly locked focus on what you wanted is looking at the distance scale in the viewfinder (if you have that set to display).. it will be even easier if you have an X100T and I believe the X-Pro2 will also have the electronic rangefinder feature so you have a small screen that pops up in the lower right corner that shows you your focus point so you have more assurance on what you intended to focus on.

          and it’s kind of fun when you start to get the hang of it and seeing you’re actually nailing the image near exactly the way you may have imagine picturing the final image in your head.

          • Rediscover Film

            Hey Wing, we still need Fujifilm to address the issues with the corrected AF frame on the X-Pro1 using the 35mm f/2!

          • I know. I’m still waiting for whoever at Fuji Guys to get back to me on that one.

            It’s perfectly workable, but the surprise and confusion as to why the Corrected AF Frame shows up differently between the 35mm f1.4 & new 35mm f2. Just would like an explanation as to why it looks significantly different.

            As we were speculating, it may have something to do with minimal focus distance.. though, it’s not that great a difference to make such a difference in Corrected AF Frame as we are seeing… I think.

            I should drop Fuji Guys another message to see if they’ve had any update on this particular issue.

            Again.. I don’t feel it’s really an “issue”, as the lens works fine, it’s just weird and would like an explanation as to what’s going on here just to quash the issue in my head.

      • Fujica

        Does that mean you have to make a new ‘reference’ for each lens used?

    • Daniel

      Here is a explenation and tutorial. http://goo.gl/qy6TwS. At least i need it when i buy this thing :)

  • I really like that there seems to be a whole menu page just for flash…

  • d

    While i agree that $1700 or $1800 is too much for this camera, it is shocking to read how people are betting that Fuji will drop the X-Series cameras within a few years. Really, do you want even less competition – so the cameras will be even more expensive?

    “Fuji isn’t competitive enough”! Actually, they make some pretty nice cameras and some very nice lenses. “Sony is going to release an APS-C sized camera with 36mp – that sounds amazing”. Actually, why don’t they cram 50mp in that piece of shit so diffraction will set in even earlier, defeating the purpose of the high resolution. And, news flash, i highly doubt Sony has any APS-C sized lenses that can resolve 36mp center to corner. No, but you will see the sales skyrocket because of specs, but will rarely, if ever, see a photo that will showcase such high resolution.

    To be honest, I rarely see A7rii images that showcase the high resolving power of that camera. And, I was looking at Canon 5dsr photos and couldn’t see the benefits from those extra pixels.

    Go shoot with whatever you have. The newest, groundbreaking camera will likely not make your photos any better…

    • Hector

      Sony cameras are gadgets by an electronics manufacturer, what they do best is electronics and their outstanding sensors are the proof. Other than that all they have is a collection of senseless features.

      I had a look at the images of the RX1 II on DP Review. They are super soft at 100%… what’s the point of it? The camera is slow to operate and the files are huge for it’s purpose because in handheld street shooting the rate of keepers is very low: you are going tu burn a gigabyte of your hard drive for every shot you like… which could be printed at any size at 12 megapixels any way.

      • Turlututu

        100% of a 43.6mp sensor is different than 100% of a 16mp sensor.

    • shigzeo

      If you don’t see images that inspire confidence in high megapixel counts, it’s not the camera’s fault; the fault lies firmly with the photographer/subject matter, and of course, medium. High megapixel counts are wonderful. Wonderful.

  • Ash

    Do the Shadow Tone and Highlight Tone menus also now go from -3 to +4?

  • Ash

    Just like the X-Pro1, this model is meant to be a flagship rather than a hot seller. Think of it as a limited edition X camera. Us masses will simply wait for the X-T2 which should sell like hotcakes.

    • Dave

      I know I will wait for the X-T2…hopefully with 4K video and IBIS.

      • gr

        I’d be happy with the IBIS, tilt screen and awesome autofocus.

      • Fujica

        4K video, probably
        IBIS very unlikely.

  • Jano

    Some observations:

    – The general menu structure seems a lot cleaner and more intuitive than before. Good for them, it was needed.

    – They probably still haven’t figured out that there should be an option to “archive” certain settings that you never use: colour space, video settings if you don’t need them, JPEG settings for RAW shooters (3 pages for image quality? seriously?) etc.

    – Looks like they are keeping their completely counterintuitive choice that pressing “left” in the menu doesn’t go back without activating the current option (like “back” does) but rather activates what is currently selected. So annoying!

    – Sadly it seems that Fuji is not moving towards using a touchscreen. There are so many great possibilities to make camera use more pleasant and effective but this menu would not lend itself well to touch use and I doubt they will completely overhaul it again for the X-T2. Even Nikon has realized the benefits of a touchscreen by now. I mean, Nikon!

    – Compressed RAW! Finally!

    – Is there no menu option for “Wax Effect”? Come on, who needs grain, we want wax! ;-)

    • Ash

      Wax effect is just the Noise reduction menu.

      • Jano

        It was a joke ;-)

    • sidtw

      Good observation.

      I also like your “archive setting” idea.

      Additionally, I’d like to have a “setting lock” for as long as you don’t unlock it again.
      The setting lock should work like this: No matter which button you accidentally press or push (except the shutter *cough cough, of course), your settings remain unchanged. And the unlock trigger should be a two finger combination that you need to press for 5 seconds in order to make sure that you don’t accidentally unlock even this! :)

      It happens to me (stupid, big fingers, not paying attention, camera comes out of bag…) all the time that my settings are changed.

      • Rediscover Film

        The X-T1 has this lock feature. You can even assign engaging it to a function button. I forget the way to unlock. Only tried it once to see how it works. Don’t personally need this option.

    • Carl

      Canon has an option to add your favourite menu modes to a ‘My Menu’ which I think Fuji should look to implement.

  • Dave

    Patrick…can the exposure be set to the AF point?

    • Ash

      of course it can. X-T1 does this.

    • sidtw

      Spot metering?

      • Mardock

        Just like the X-T1: you can tie the spot meter to your focus point. Tremendously useful.

        • Chris

          Great! I thought only Nikon has it these days.

          • Mardock

            I’m not even sure how many Nikon cameras can do that. Certainly not all of them.

        • sidtw

          Yep. Even the Jurassic X-pro1 can do this. Only only this, if spot metering. ;)

          • Mardock

            No, the X-Pro 1 cannot do this.

          • sidtw

            Of course it can. Spot metering uses the AF field. What else is spot metering?

    • I believe it’s in the 13th image down from the top. You see in the menu, “Interlock Spot AE & Focus Area”

    • Patrick

      yes

  • rg

    Seems nice, but competition is severe with the Nikon 500, just wow.

    • shigzeo

      2016: a really exciting year.

      • Fujica

        That’s what I think as well.

        2016 will be the year of ‘change’ to the industry.

        Its matured.
        The market has slowed down and is very much under pressure.

        All new bodies we get to see this year will probably need to live longer then any of the previous bodies ever needed to be.

        imho next recycle year will be 2020 so everything that comes out this year will get at least a 4 years lifespan.

  • Ryan

    The main thing going for this camera is its going to get updates for as long as possible. As long as they added a enough internal memory!

    • WhatWhat

      Also x-trans iii, and I bet a larger bjffer

  • Stealthy Ninja

    That’s nice Patrick and imma let you finish, but what the heck do the symbols mean on the tshirts?

    I pruchasing (sic) it recently.

    • Patrick

      The first line: F (for Fuji), Camera, Heart (for Love) … ergo: Fuji Camera Love

      The Second line:
      Eye (I), Finger press shutter button (shoot), Mount Fuji (Fuji)… ergo: I shoot Fuji

      The third line requires a bit of “free” interpretation. For instance, it could be:
      Aperture (“F”-stop), Lens, X … this could mean “XF
      lens”.

      • shigzeo

        If I was a bit more of a camera geek I’d buy. The shirt looks great.

      • Stealthy Ninja

        Yeh the third line is a bit of a mystery.

        Thanks Mr Patrick Sir.

  • Tv

    I see the xpro series as different to a DSLR such that they are not strictly speaking competitors. I see the x series as lighter retro styled travel cameras and for street shooters. I use my DSLR for sport and hi res landscape work. May be the xt series will ultimately replace my DSLR completely. However the xpro is a Leica m series replacement. I could imagine photo journalists, travelers, street photographers etc really getting use out of the xpro2 – if it is as good as we all hope it is

    • shigzeo

      I shoot macro for magazines and advertising. Usually I use MFDB on bellows but at times, having AF in a small body is really handy. The X-T1 has completed a couple of images across several magazine shoots. It’s not great for it because you can’t pan while at 100% (unless things have changed in the newest firmware) but X certainly isn’t limited to street.

  • curator

    Fuji marketing is really good. Even the menu screenshots are leaked to feed on the rumors. Nikon OTOH is not really good, just a couple of D5 ‘leaked’ photos and BAM! D5 and D500…

    • Patrick

      hehe… since I know the source, I can tell you these are not “official” Fuji leaks.

      But what do I know… ;)

      • curator

        yeah, still, what I mean is that Fuji is stirring it up too long for something that is not really groundbreaking in the market…

    • Littlelio

      Definitely Fuji put a lot of efforts in marketing!

  • D

    I wish they would link the focus point to the camera orientation. In most cases when shooting vertical you are going to be around the upper 3rd of the frame. So why have to fiddle with the AF points when switching. It should be like the Canon 7D. Should be an easy feature to add and yet would make life SO much easier.

    • Littlelio

      During work, I strongly need this! I am using Nikon but it is not that advanced! Switching between vertical and horizontal made me very frustrated! I think every camera needs this!

  • dhs4006

    Here I say, if there will be a FW5 for X-T1, FUJI will make 273 focus points for that camera…

    • shigzeo

      It still depends on the tech in the camera. If the X-T1 has the same array of PDAF points it may be possible but if not, then we will have to wait.

      • Ash

        The X-T1 does NOT have the same array of PDAF points. Totally different sensor.
        I do hope the X-T1 can get things like -3 to +4 adjustable settings, grain effect, etc

        • shigzeo

          I assumed so. In other words, firmware doesn’t solve hardware limitations.

        • Fujica

          I don’t think X-T1 owners will ever get this, nor will they get the new BW film. I don’t think Fujifilm will make the effort to rewrite their software for the X-T1 once again.

          IF there ever will be a FW5.0 its going to be around a new yet to be announced flash system to keep that compatible.

  • Blocked

    I will wait for Canon and Nikon FF mirrorless, so I can buy this for 200€.

    • shigzeo

      I think this time the X-Pro is part of a solidified line up that won’t lose value to the same, insane degree.

      • Chris

        Fuji is on promotion very frequently.

        • shigzeo

          That is true. BTW, I’m on my
          Phone. You know me from Headfonia and here. I usually post as ohm image.

          • Chris

            New ID?

          • shigzeo

            No. Shigzeo has been my public online avatar since 2004 or so at macrumors and headfi and dpreview etc. But my phone logs into it rather than ohm image and I don’t have the login info for ohm on it. Sorry to confuse.

          • Chris

            Thanks for clarification.

    • Hector

      Keep waiting… Canon and Nikon have much more money to make from their current DSLR system than from anything new… plus this is not an ordinary mirrorless, it has a rangefinder style hybrid viewfinder.

      • Fujica

        Even if Canon and Nikon will make a proper mirrorless its customers are still too hesitant and conservative to make the jump.

        Canon and Nikon will also need to introduce a complete new lens lineup for that mirrorless system. Its customers will go mad once they find out that the resale value of their L and goldring lenses will drastically drop.

        • JohnnyFavorite

          when canon and nikon start with ff mirrorless they will have an adapter like sony ready to use. so it will be very easy for all existing users to migrate to mirrorless. then every other mirorless vendor will have a hard time selling camers. the question that desides the faith of brands like fuji, oly etc is how good will the ff camera be. on senor af will be the key to success. i think canon and nikon will wait with ff mirorless products til they have a realy good product.

  • Littlelio

    Is there an internal WIFI?

    • Ash

      of course there is, just like the X-T1

  • There has been no concrete news on the sensor but it looks about the right size to take a pack of 10 Instax prints. I guess that would make the sensor larger than full frame too. At approx 3x5cm

    Can’t get instant prints out of any of the Sony A7’s. Then scan and best of both worlds. In your face competition.

    Fuji: 1
    Sony: 0

  • adam bucci

    Fuji guys at CES denied the existence of the xpro2. What was interesting though was there was no xpro1 on display at their room/booth. Nor was there an x30 in site.

    They had the complete lens lineup on display but no 100-400.

    They did show a nice black carrying pouch for the instax printer and cameras. Has a slot at the top to retrieve prints.

    • Trickles

      Weird…did you mention the big countdown clock on their own website? Awkward :D

      • Adam Bucci

        maybe i’ll show that to them tomorrow. who knows, they might just say its a countdown to their ceo’s bday.

  • Gokhan

    No reason to display a very old Xpro 1 at CES but the more info Fuji releases (some call those leaks ) the less I believe it will be a FF camera. We will see next week

    • PC1512

      There was never any chance this would be a FF camera – not without ditching the X mount anyway..

    • Fujica

      You can stop waiting. Its going to be APS-C as has always been expected.

  • Hector

    Patrick, what about the OVF… will it take the 16 or perhaps even the 14mm?

    • obican

      That’s what I’d like to learn too. I hope the OVF goes to 16mm now.

  • Guest

    Any chance we will see that

  • Guest

    Do you think we will see that new user interface in the upcoming XT-1 update? It looks way better than the actual one. (sorry for the other comment, I sent it unfinished)

  • tdGunter

    I’m totally new to Fuji. As a matter of fact I have never owned a Fuji, but that’ll change soon.
    I did play with a X-T10 just recently and one of the options I found rather peculiar was the possibility to develop RAW files in-camera. Is it true Fuji is unique in this?
    And secondly: unlike image processing software (LR, C1, …) the EV corrections in-camera were only limited from -1 to +3. Is there a wider range on the X-T1 and X-Pro1, or is it the same? And is there anything known for the new X-Pro2 in this respect?

    • Mr

      Not completely unique, but they sure do give you a lot more control and options than any other. It’s obvious that they take it seriously and spend a good deal of time on it. They know their way with color.

      The C option on the EV dial goes up to +5 now.
      See the specs: https://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-x-pro2-full-specs-leaked-by-digicame-info-all-fr-rumored-specs-confirmed/

      Pushing and Pulling the exposure with the in-camera or any other Raw-converter is something entirely different though. Don’t know what the limit is.

      • tdGunter

        Thanks. Yes, I’ve seen the dial too. But that’s in shooting mode, right? I mean what options do you get when you actually develop an image after shooting? Does the menu give more than -1 to +3?

        • Mr

          Indeed, i edited my comment. Unknown if that has changed.

    • kecaj.kerugo

      in camera RAW development is not unique to Fuji. Pentax has it since years and used to own one camera with it (K-x). Actually Fuji implementation is very limited because it can only process one image and no batch processing is allowed as it was on Pentax. Practically this is very limiting with typical number of photos we normally deal with.
      Wish Fuji improved this on its top cameras: X-T1 (I own it) andcomin X-T2

      • tdGunter

        What is the range on the X-T1 and the X-Pro1?

  • Any news on selecting different aspect ratios in camera – in addition to 3:2, 16:9 and square? 4:3 and 7:5 would be great.

    • JWC

      I would love this feature. Even if it’s not going to be a multi-aspect sensor. This would help me frame my photos better if I know I have to shoot for 4×5 print.

      • I did put a feature request in last year for this to Fuji as it would be very useful. In addition to the more common photographic aspect ratios it could also add 1.41:1 for ISO A sizes and 2.21:1 and other film aspect ratios for the video files. I agree that it needn’t be done on a multi aspect sensor to make it really useful.

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