9
Jan
2013

X100s and X20 previews and catalogue + XF14mm f/2.8 test shot

Xstory

Take a look at the technology inside the X100s and X20 (click here or the image above)

imaging-resource previews: For the X20 preview click here and for the X100s preview click here: From the X100s summary: “If you like your X100, you’ll probably want to run — not walk — to the nearest camera store or friendly internet retailer, to lay hands on the new X100S. We expect the improvements to be pretty dramatic.

X100s catalogue PDF: http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x100s/pdf/index/x100s_catalogue_01.pdf

X20 catalogue PDF: http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x20/pdf/index/x20_catalogue_01.pdf

One of the things that I really like about the X100 is the fact that you can process its raw files in just about any software, and they always come out pretty damn good. Well, kiss that option goodbye with the newly announced replacement.” If you want to read more, click here to read some thoughts on the announcement of Fuji and Nikon at CES. Do you share the worry of Thomas Fitzgerald? Leave a comment.

I’ve found most of the links posted here in the comments to my previous posts. Thanks for sharing your findings.

One more thing: Rico Pfirstinger took his first test shot with the new 14mm f/2.8 lens. For the hig-res version on Flickr click here.

XF14 test shot

PREORDER

X100S: AmazonUS / Adorama / B&H

X20: AmazonUS: silver and black version / B&H: silver versionblack version / Adorama: silver versionblack version

Europe: UK: Wexphotographic X100s for £1099 / X20 silver and black for £599

 

  • Nightwatch

    Offered in two versions — all-black, or black with silver trim….

    Is this confirmed?

  • MJr

    Sure Mr Fitzgerald, if you expect to make a photo that’s so good that you just have to print it poster format right away then yes you’re in trouble, but what are the chances. In any other case you’re fine. Really, if you take a 16MP x-trans photo and scale it down to 12MP, it will probably look better, not to mention a normal 1920×1200 display. Anyway i’m not trying to justify it, i’m just saying the x-trans support will be there soon enough. I don’t see why it wouldn’t be in the next Adobe Camera RAW update, the rumors were there, they’re just not socialized enough to confirm it like Capture One sorta did.

    • Andy

      Adobe camera raw does a dreadful job with the xtrans sensor. I wouldn’t use anything other than the manufacturers software for converting the raw files, otherwise you’re much better off just using jpg.

      • MJr

        Did you even read what i said ?

        • Raz

          Even at screen resolution ACR processed images from my X-E1 look awful – you can’t apply any sharpening at all without the thing becoming a mosaic of coloured splodges. This wouldn’t be so bad if the default processing produced images as sharp as the out of camera JPEGs but it doesn’t – the resolution pales compared to my X100 with it’s 4 megapixel lower sensor.

          • MJr

            Sure it’s not perfect, and sometimes it’s just plain bad. Never said nothing’s wrong, because there sure is. But my point is that it’s worth it, it will do for a little while longer (which really i don’t think will be that long), because when it is finally properly supported, all your photo’s will still be there, put them through LR one more time, and they will be much better than the original X100 would have been for sure, and you will be very happy to have the ability to upgrade all those shots to true x-trans quality. I see where you’re coming from, but i guess i’m just more future oriented.

        • Andy

          My point is that you should just forget about ACR altogether with the xtrans sensor. Fuji have put massive amounts of effort into the development of the image processing for this sensor and I highly doubt that any update to ACR will even come close to Fuji’s own (at least in the near future). In any case, waiting for it is not being future oriented, it’s just a complete waste of time.

          • MJr

            You know, you can continue living and shooting while you wait, no time wasted.

            But sure, let’s say they have a magic processing that only Fuji can master. The word is that Fuji is helping them, so that’s that then. They know it’s in both their interest to get it right, and so they will. Have you not seen the Capture One 7 beta results ?

  • hexx

    Maybe LR4.3 X-Trans RAW conversions aren’t as they should be they are far from unusable. You just need to spend more time in the ‘detail’ panel in develop module. I found that each image requires different amount, radius and detail settings. Unfortunately masking doesn’t really work as areas not covered by sharpening mask will suffer from artefacts. This fortunately doesn’t really apply to landscape photos because usually we want all frame to be sharp and I use masking only for portraits which fortunately don’t exhibit problems like WC or other artefacts.

    Also printing (I tried only A4, don’t have larger printer) files which exhibit artefacts results in high quality prints without any visible problems in details. And for online publishing? Who shares photos in full res and who looks at them at 100%?

    So yes, with my files from X100 I don’t need to spend that much time in the detail panel as with X-Pro1 files, but it’s really worth it. I recommend to use 2:1 loupe to clearly see how changes to amount/radius/detail affect your photograph.

    • raz

      Have you got any images on Flickr or similar I could have a look at? I’ve not really had any luck producing what I feel are acceptable results from Lightroom.

      • hexx

        i’ve been sluggish with my Flickr account, last images uploaded last year. Have tons of ready images sitting in the LR catalogue and also some of the latest ones which exhibited problems with the rendering of foliage. I’ve managed to upload few to shared photo stream (link below), please note that these are not final renders, rather just an exercise of what’s possible with the detail panel in LR and WB might be a bit off:

        https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A1GWZuqDGwACp9

        • hexx

          no edit button, forgot to add: weather was dreadful and these are from X-Pro1, 18mm f/2 lens and manual exposures, I think all at f/8 and the ones from the forest are usually ISO5000+ and all are resized for iPad retina so it means 2048px

          • MJr

            If you ask me that’s way too much sharpening that in no way benefits the photo in any meaningful way. But it does show the detail you can get out of it indeed, and for some reason this kind of over the top sharpening is generally what people like so that’s fine. ;)

            Thanks for the example.

          • Raz

            Thanks for sharing those, I’m quite impressed actually I’ll have to revisit Lightroom and see if I can get better results.

          • hexx

            @MRj – well, that’s the downside of current X-Trans processing in LR, it’s either too sharp or with artefacts. I too find them too sharp for my tastes but I’d rather have that (temporarily) than watercoulour or other nasty problems :) Also there’s a bit of grain added as the NR was set to 20 on ISO6400 shots and I generally prefer a bit of grain which, as a side effect, also increases sharpness. Will try to play and update the same album with some ISO200 shots from the local park – I haven’t played with them yet, just exposure adjustments.

    • Hendrick

      I think people are a bit lost here when it comes to ACR and X-Trans raw files. X Trans requires a special algorithm to demosaic, which ACR doesnt do very well. Silkypix was the better software to read .RAF files up until Capture One Beta was out some weeks ago for testing. Indeed, ACR does not read Fuji X Trans very well, it is actually crap. Capture One, however, is the software to get if you are interested in maximising your output from any X Trans sensor.

      The reason why Fuji chose to use Silkypix for their RAW software is because Silkypix is very popular in Japan (Second the Adobe Photoshop/Lightroom) and Capture One is often used with Phase One’s products (Phase One cameras and digital backs) For some reason, the relationship between Adobe and Fuji did not come forward with a solution like the Phase One/Fuji partnership to develop X Trans files best.

      See it for yourself, there are a few examples out there comparing ACR, COne and others like RawDeveloper and Fuji’s own jpegs.

      X Trans is a great sensor, just needs a workable RAW software editor (Silkypix is pretty slow and daunting to use and the tools offered by it are nowhere near as good as what Adobe and Phase One offer)

      • hexx

        yep, that’s all fine but people use what’s available. As far as I know Capture One is BETA and is not available to every one.

        • hexx

          forgot to add, version 7.0.2 ;)

          • MJr

            Not for long ;)

          • hexx

            @MJr – is the BETA still open? I remember reading something somewhere about the 7th of January but not quite sure if it was the closure of BETA or release of 7.0.2 to public. I just hope it will run at least comparably to LR4.3 on my MacBook Air. LR3.6 was fast but version 4 not so much. All reports from C1 were from people running quite beefy computers. Good thing is that they offer 60 days trial so it should give me enough time to test it properly before the purchase (thanks god that LR was “only” £100)

          • MJr

            Lightroom is so heavy, if there is a difference it can only be better. You may have spend £100 on LR, but i bought a €1100 computer to get it to run properly as well. ;)

          • Hendrick

            Beta does not mean it will not make it out. It is a promising effort and one that should be welcomed, not questioned.

  • http://www.lets-ride.de Rico Pfirstinger

    I have added a dozen more 14mm samples to my X-E1 set on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25805910@N05/8365626808/in/set-72157631699329942

    • MJr

      Thanks that’s awesome !

      ps. You could add a tag to the 14mm shots and link to that, it’s really easily done in Organize. :)

      • http://www.lets-ride.de Rico Pfirstinger

        There’s now a seperate set with 14mm samples.

    • Lee

      These photos are pretty good. No visible distortion can be found and quite sharp!