Why you should get the X-T10 over the X-T1 :: 27 Differences between X-T10 and X-T1 :: 90mm on the Set of Indian Summers 2

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FXF Member aceflibble tells you why, according to him, the X-T10 is the better choice over the X-T1.
– X-T10 and X-T1: 27 Key differences according to WexUK. Read them here.
– First thoughts on the Fuji X-T10 — possible spare body to an X-T1 at aboutphotography-tomgrill
– Video Review at eyalg youtube and Fuji X-T10 vs. Lumix LX100 Image Comparison here

XF 90mmF2 WR
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– Fujifilm’s 90mm Makes a Colorful Splash on the Set of Indian Summers 2: a first look by Matt Brandon of thedigitaltrekker here.

NOTE: AmazonUK corrected the release date of the 90mm and pushed it back to July (previoulsy June)

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  • Mr_Electability

    IMHO the graphic should link to the correct story, not to Amazon. Anyway, I thought it odd that “weather sealing” was never breathed in aceflibble’s comparison; after all, that’s a big part of the reason the T1 costs so much more.

    • Patrick

      In the graphic, I usually link to the site where I took the screenshot from, which in this case is Amazon. Anyway, now it’s no longer clickable.

    • AceFlibble

      Because Fuji cameras aren’t a system I would ever take to a situation where weather sealing would be required, so I didn’t spend a single second thinking about it. The only time I’m subjecting a body to anything less than perfect weather is when I have a free weekend to climb a hillside in search of birds of prey, which Fuji is a terrible system for based on lenses alone. (And the rest of what I do takes place indoors in smokeless, dry conditons.)
      When Fuji produces something which can match a 7D2 & 500mm f/4 combo in reach, speed, image quality, buffer depth and battery life, then maybe I’ll start to take weather sealing onboard. As it is, weather sealing is the least of the reasons why a Fuji body would be unsuitable for that kind of shooting. I can’t say my X-T1’s weather sealing has been put to the test shooting studio portrait and I see no reason why I would miss it on the X-T10.

      • Chris

        You are right. Just dont count on Fuji’s WR. This is a pic of XF16-55, the fiber is inside rear element. This is the 2nd Fuji I got with something inside. It is now hilarious to me that Fuji has great build quality.

  • Jan Sunde

    Isn’t there a deal on the XF35 also ? Still $150 off at B&H and Amazon at least.

    • Patrick

      true… and also on the 18-55. Copy & Paste error. Updated it now

  • Sinjun

    Vote with your checkbook. Unless you are a first time buyer, on a budget and/or need a camera *right now*… send Fuji a message that the current XTrans sensor is woefully outdated by not buying either camera (XT-10 or X-T1.) XPro2 and/or XT-2 with better low light performance, better performance at high ISO’s, higher dynamic range, better AF, etc. and the sooner the better please.

    • Jano

      Yes, tell Fuji that their AF is not good enough. Even the new one which you haven’t tested yet!
      Oh, and don’t forget to mention that the performance at high ISO, their low light performance, the noise at higher sensitivity and the image quality in dark surroundings is absolutely insufficient. One is barely able to take a shot when there are clouds in the sky!

      Or just buy an awesome camera and enjoy taking photos while not thinking about spec sheets :-)

      • Sinjun

        Have had an XT-1 and have been working with it every other day for over a year now and, although it may be ok for personal use and even pro use most of the time, it does lag behind in some aspects especially when it comes to low light AF speed and accuracy. Also, being able to shoot 24mp in square format for more cropping ease and more cropping options while still maintaining high resolution is needed – not wanted – for some pro uses. Not to mention the fact that the X-T1 and the X-T10 are practically useless for shooting video so anyone that buys a T1 or a T10 that needs to shoot reasonably good video footage would have to purchase a separate video cam which, hopefully, won’t be necessary if they purchase a net gen XPro2 or XT-2 a few months from now.

        • I use a couple of T1’s as my work camera’s with a mix of primes and their f/2.8 zooms. Yes they do everything I need of them with superb quality but I do agree with sensor resolution and video. I’ve just had to invest in a 4k camcorder to cover video and a 24mb sensor would be most welcome to give extra crop head room or extra resolution.

          When the X-T2 comes out, please let it have a 24mb sensor plus good video (4k). Please!

    • The xTrans is “woefully outdated”? If you can’t take amazing photos with the current sensor – the camera isn’t the problem.

      There
      isn’t a current sensor in the market that isn’t fantastic, regardless
      of brand. Back when we shot with film (which I did for nearly 2
      decades), we had to make due with fixed ASAs (film speeds), slow AF (or
      prior to the mid-90s, NO AF).

      Get better at your doctrine and craft, and you should be able to use any of the amazing tools available today to create wonderful images.

  • Alex

    There is a difference in AF speed and accuracy in day light and in dim light between T1 and T10? No one talks about that.

    • Your guess is as good as anyone else’s. No one would know for sure until we have a 4.0 FW available for X-T1 (and a retail availability of X-T10).

    • Chris

      AF sensors are built into cmos. So they are probably the same in terms of accuracy. Processor should be the same as well. You probably won’t notice too much difference in operating the camera. Those are my 2 cents.

  • Chris

    I’m more interested in what’s shared by these two.

  • Paul

    Just got to handle the X-T10 with an 18/2 lens at my local camera shop. Although I didn’t really get to put it through its paces I can say that the AF certainly felt snappy and sure in comparison to my X-T1. I hope that 4.0 firmware makes mine feel the same. Body and viewfinder size is noticeably smaller but still felt solid and looked crisp. It would be a tough choice if I were in the market for a new body.

  • “Why you should get the X-T10 over the X-T1” is like saying why you should buy the Canon EOS 760D instead of the EOS 7D Mark II. They’re different cameras with different target markets. Also, the X-T10 is not a “backup” camera to the X-T1, as there is no such thing as a “backup” camera.

    • Jano

      “They’re different cameras with different target markets.”

      Yes and no. They’re mostly the same camera with only three differences potentially relevant to pro work (buffer, tethering, WR). For many pro uses those differences are irrelevant. For most enthusiasts the differences are even more irrelevant. The major difference for most will be price, not features. So the Canon comparison is bogus.

      “… there is no such thing as a ‘backup’ camera.”
      Not by definition (of the manufacturer), but in practical use of course such a thing exists! And the X-T10 will probably be an awesome backup camera for many pros.

      • “And the X-T10 will probably be an awesome backup camera for many pros.”
        In all the years that I’d worked as a “pro” photographer, I never had a “backup” camera. Instead, I fielded a two- or three-camera rig, i.e. using two or three of the same model of cameras, each with its own lens.
        The flipside of your and everybody else’s reasoning is that if the X-T10 is good enough to be a “backup” camera, then it is good enough to be a “primary” camera.

        • To each his/her own – I’ve been shooting professionally for 30 years, 17 of that as a photojournalist. 90% of the time I shoot with one body – the other 10% of the time is shooting sports, where I’ll have two bodies out.

          But whether I shoot with one or two bodies, I’ll always have at least one body in the bag, a ‘backup’ body. My D4s are reliable as hell, so the need to have a third D4 in case of catastrophic failure of on of the primaries. It’s just not cost effective to do so; so a D750 fills in nicely in case of the failure of the one of the D4s. It is a backup camera.

          If you choose Fuji for your heavy lifting work (I’m not sure I would, as much as I love my Fujis – I still use the heavy gear for most of my assignment work) It would depend on your style of shooting.

          The way you shoot with the Fuji’s is significantly different than with a DSLR, and I don’t think it would lend itself as well to multi-body shooting where speed is a factor.

          • My point exactly.

          • Jano

            Not really, he said that a “lesser” camera like D750 is good enough for him to be backup but not good enough to be the primary camera. Quite the opposite of what you said.

          • bob cooley states that he has two Nikon D4 cameras. When he does a single-camera job, the other D4 is the backup. Only when he does a job that requires the use of both D4 cameras, does he consider a lower model for a backup camera. This last scenario is the important one: if one D4 fails and the “backup” camera isn’t up to the job, then he isn’t total sunk, as he then still has one working D4 camera to complete the job.

            The key point is that bob cooley has TWO primary cameras and the “backup” camera is number three. And this was also my point: if you need the capabilities of the X-T1 for your professional work, then your second/backup camera should also be an X-T1. And conversely, if the X-T10 is good enough to complete all your professional jobs with (in case your X-T1 fails), then it is also good enough as your primary camera. And then you just own two of them, which puts you back into my very first statement: your primary and your backup/secondary camera should be the same models.

          • Jano

            I get your point but you still contradict yourself. First you say a backup camera does not exist. Now you say it does as a tertiary camera when you have two of the same primary cameras.

            Bob stated that the D750 IS up to the job, just not as good as the D4S. There are compromises even a professional has to make. I’m pretty sure hardly anybody shooting digital medium format has a second MF body at hand when doing a shot.
            The D750 has less buffer and slightly slower fps but it delivers basically the same IQ with basically identical AF compared to D4S. So what part of the product is being compromised? None. Does that mean Bob should switch to the D750 entirely? No, the extra fps might be worth it for him, even if he can work with the slower D750. Or he might like the smaller files from the D4. Or he wants the larger OVF.

          • “… but you still contradict yourself.” No, I don’t, but let’s just leave it there. (In conjunction with your other comment), if “starting-out pros” want to go NOT my way, then that is actually not my problem. In fact, I have found that in many industries, especially IT but also photography, providing what I call “janitorial services” is far more lucrative than doing first-tier work.

        • Jano

          Well that might be your way of shooting but not everybody does that. Some people only use one zoom lens on one camera. They’ll still need a backup body and a backup lens then.

          A backup camera is for the (very) rare case that a camera gives up. In that case I could do with a lesser camera. Of course it needs to be up to the job in IQ but especially concerning usability I would accept compromises.
          For example I could shoot a wedding with a mechanical focal plane shutter but I wouldn’t usually choose that (rather electronic or leaf shutter). But if it was cheaper I might buy a backup camera with “noisy” shutter. So no, it wouldn’t mean that the backup camera is good enough to be my primary camera.

          • “Well that might be your way of shooting but not everybody does that.” Correct. I was always more concerned about providing a quality product, then having to explain a mediocre product as being due to system failure.

          • Jano

            Yep, good for you. But
            a) when you start out a business, you have to make compromises. That might involve a slightly lower product (if your main camera fails) in exchange for a cheaper price (for the customer). Or it might not depending on your initial funds. Even more valid when you do this as a hobby.
            b) like I said, there are cameras with identical IQ but with inferior handling (like the XT10 compared to XT1). So no quality would be lost, only the photographer uses some ease of use. Of course if you need the buffer of the XT1 to deliver your product you should not get the XT10 for backup. But not everybody does.

            I’m just criticizing that you’re putting yourself up to be the standard as if nobody was allowed to have a different shooting style / needs.

          • “I’m just criticizing that you’re putting yourself up to be the standard as if nobody was allowed to have a different shooting style / needs.” Apparently this discussion has now turned personal. Why, I do not know, because never did I try to enforce my style of photography or system requirements onto others.

          • Jano

            For me this isn’t personal. It’s just when someone says that there is no such thing as a backup camera, he is essentially saying that anyone who has a different model as backup is doing it wrong. I gave you a few examples why having a different backup body can be a good choice without compromising the resulting images and you didn’t respond to any of those.

            So yeah, let’s just leave it at that.

          • Image quality has nothing to do with it. The X-T1 (or EOS 1D or EOS 7D or Nikon D4s) is weather-sealed, the X-T10 (or EOS 760D or Nikon D3100) is not. Scenario: You’re doing an outdoor event in light rain; the X-T1 (or …) croaks; it’s a make-or-break job, so do you pull out the X-T10 (or …) and ruin it; or do you pack up and go back to your old job as a shop-assistant?

            As I’ve already said previously, if you don’t need the “additional features” of the X-T1 (or 1D or D4), like weather-sealing, then the X-T10 (or EOS 70D) will do the (primary) job just as good; so then just get two of ’em and spend the extra dough on another lens or marketing or an MLT sandwich.

            However, some additional food-for-thought: I’ve switched from being a “pro” photographer to using “pro” photographers. So let me tell you this, the quality of the image is everything and I’ve stopped using a few up-and-coming, moderately talented photographers for the very simple reason that their gear cannot produce the quality of product that I require from them. Excuses and discounts due to lack of funds (i.e. start-up capital) or equipment failure generally equates to a higher “post-processing” cost on my part (and thus a lower RoI), so that doesn’t work. Oh, and I also don’t recommend them, so zero word-of-mouth advertising for their business.

            FYI, I really don’t care what gear a “pro” photographer uses, just as long as (s)he delivers. So if they think that one camera and one (lower-grade) backup is sufficient to compete as a “pro” photographer against heaps of other “pro” photographers, good luck to them and I sincerely hope they never experience a primary camera failure during their “big-break” assignment. My opinion regarding “backup” cameras thus constitutes personal experience as both the photographer and the client. Learn from my mistakes or make your own, it’s your choice.

          • Jano

            Whatever. Stating how super-pro you are doesn’t make your opinion right.

            You named one example where obviously the XT10 would be a bad choice for backup and so I too would go with two XT1s. I named several different scenarios where the XT10 would be good enough for backup but I still wouldn’t choose it as my main camera. You chose to ignore those so obviously it makes no sense to continue this discussion…

          • “Stating how super-pro you are doesn’t make your opinion right.” Ditto.

            “For example I could shoot a wedding … But if it was cheaper I might buy a backup camera with “noisy” shutter.”
            And then we have the following conversation: “So terribly sorry about the irritating noise eminating from my camera, Father, but my super-duper primary camera crossed the rainbow bridge and all I have to complete this make-or-break job is this noisy lower-grade backup camera because I rather spent the money on designer underwear.” And you think the “client” is ever going to recommend your services to anyone after this incident? Dream on.

            The overall curiosity of this discussion is that it follows the same pre-set path of all (photography) discussions. Oh, well.

          • Jano

            Well, curious how you make fun of the “noisy” shutter in the first comment and state in the second that such a “noisy” shutter is pretty standard for wedding photographers since most use FF DSLRs. Doesn’t really make sense.

            So as you might have noticed the shutter wouldn’t be bad and the Father might not even notice it. But I would still prefer a silent shutter. I’m not a pro, I’ve only shot weddings for friends and yes, I used a “noisy” DSLR for that. This year I also have an X100S which I would surely prefer for much of the ceremony. Feel free to send me a Phase though, I’d appreciate it ;-)
            So I was speaking hypothetically. If I worked as a professional wedding photographer now, I’d most likely be using two X-T1s and they both have an electronic shutter.

          • “For example I could shoot a wedding with a mechanical focal plane shutter but I wouldn’t usually choose that (rather electronic or leaf shutter).”

            I must say this sentence really tickled me … So just what camera do YOU use when photographing a wedding, as all DSLR’s have focal plane shutters and only some MILC’s have true electronic shutters. PhaseOne or Pentax?

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