26
Oct
2012

Adobe and Fuji working together for a native RAW-files support of the X-Trans sensor?

A reader of Fujirumors directed our attention to a post in the dpreview-forum (click here). According to this rumor, Fuji is working with Adobe and Apple to make their software compatible with the RAW-files of the X-Trans sensor. Maxster writes: “Just came back from D-Clic photo show in Montreal and had the chance to talk with Billy from Fuji Guys. He asked me if I was happy with my X-Pro1 and I said yes, very happy BUT would like Adobe and others to better support it (or at all in the case of Aperture…). I expected him to play it safe but he actually acknowledged the problem right away and told me that they recently signed a non-disclosure agreement with both Adobe and Apple and provided them with specs for supporting the X-Trans sensor! He said he is also pushing strong with Fuji to add support for TIFF in the camera so that could be another good thing for some. Lets hope this leads to progress…

But recently Apple released a new update for Aperture 3 and there is still no support for Fujifilms X-PRO1. And again, Fuji users were quite disappointed. Just read the comments to this dpreview post (click here). As Jaryl says: “Why nothing for Fuji X-Pro 1? Is it later or never?”

In the last months the voices grew louder, and the “RAW-problem” became a serious problem for Fuji and for photographers using the X-PRO1 (click here)  and the new X-E1 (click here).

No doubt, the jpegs of these cameras are really good, ISO is excellent, the sensor has a great potential, but many programs that work with RAW-files do not support the new X-Trans sensor technology. This is a real struggle for the normal workflow of photographers. As soundimageplus.blogspot.it says: “We have an existing workflow. We don’t want to be forced to change that workflow and our software mix to get good results from our raw files.

Until now, the very low sales of the X-PRO1 didn’t push software companies to spend time and money to develop software solutions for the new X-Trans sensor. So sansmirror.com suggests: “Fujifilm needs to do everything under the sun to make sure that Adobe’s conversions are optimal for X-Trans, then they need to make sure they do that for the #2, #3, #4…et.al makers of converters. Failure to do that puts them in the same corner Fujifilm was in with DSLRs and never got out of: an interesting and oddball choice that has no optimized workflow most users would embrace.

Finally, if the rumor of Maxster is correct, Fuji is really doing “everything under the sun” to make the X-Trans files compatible with the most important photo-software products. The X-Trans sensor is now in use for several months, and there shouldn’t be still such a big lack of software support. But Fuji has demonstrated to listen to feedback from photographers in developing his cameras. Let’s hope that they will do it also this time, and that rumors are going to be confirmed soon!

If you have some news or rumors to share, just contact us by email.

Are you using any software to work with X-Trans RAW pictures? if so, leave a comment.

take care, and thanks mike ;-)

 

 

 

  • http://www.patrickbraun.net patrickbraun.net

    Ha, how funny this post comes up the day after I posted this: http://wp.me/p1AUEs-es

    Anyway, I’d highly appreciate a native solution built correctly from the ground up.

  • Sir Marky

    They need to make the data available for open source apps too.
    DarkTable and RawTherapee presently has no support either.
    Concentrating on products which we need to pay for and could be pulled from us by the suppliers at any time shouldn’t be the main focus. Look at them all Fuji!

  • http://www.karmelslair.net karmel

    i never shoot raw with the x-pro1 since the jpgs are excellent, i even use them out of camera to make prints which turn out nicer than most prints from edited raws from my 5d mkII.
    saves a lot of time, really.
    of course, it would be nice to have full raw-support in acr but i see other more important issues to be fixed (e.g. minimum shutterspeed with auto-iso)

  • Peter

    It is interesting that they mention native TIFF support. I’d expect there to be much more demand for native DNG (even though that is an extended form of TIF and due to the sensor layout, it wouldn’t change the raw converter situation).

  • chris

    I’m an X-Pro1 user and I have gotten myself used to processing Raw in Silky PIx. Turns out its actually fairly good software once you get the hang of it. That said I still liked processing with Adobe camera raw better.

  • http://imagesinlightnw.blogspot.com/ Ross

    needs to be done, I for one want to buy a Fuji xtrans, but wont until I know there is full RAW support

  • Sam

    I was considering selling my d7000 and purchasing an X-e1, until I read this. As good as the jpegs are RAWS are essential. Unless LR can read those files I personally won’t consider it. I would love for a native DNG.

  • http://Www.blog.sesivede.ro Dan Malureanu

    I would like to buy soon a fuji x -e1 . I’ m looking forword for softwere updates and even that I will buy it. It’ s to intresting camera to don’t implement raw conversion. So… :)

  • http://www.itainadav.net Itai

    I’m so happy to hear, ’cause I already post my fuji for sale for that reason. It drives me crazy to use “Silkpix” for fuji, and then moving to LR for the ofher images from my other cameras…
    Looking forward to see what come first, Raw support or me selling my fuji :( .

  • Mel

    This is an issue if people not willing to change. Here we have what appears to be a major advancement in digital camera IQ and some people would rather complain about lack of Adobe support. Keep it up and you’ll never see any advancements in sensor design.

    Lightroom: most raw files render just fine. For those that don’t reveal in finder and open in SilkyPix. Aperture: shoot r+j. Use the jpeg as a preview then the same routine as LR. The raw file will show just below the jpeg. Select the .raf and open in SP. While I’m an Aperture user, the LR approach is much nicer as most of my jpegs are just fine, LR handles most raf’s just fine and a few get opened in SP. Funny how we can have all sorts of plug-ins but can’t accept another app. Funny how we can change cameras and systems willy nilly but we can’t adopt a different workflow.

    So far I’ve looked at RPP, Adobe and SilkyPix. They all have their pro’s and cons but there’s nothing wrong with any of them. For ease of use, I’d give the nod to LR, even as a former Aperture user. The module approach in SP is messy and offers an inconsistent layout. However, for editing purposes it’s very nice and does a very good job with XTrans files. For beginners, it’s a snap. Tons of presets to get ine started and the ability to fine tune a preset and save the tune as a profile once the familiarity process starts to click. Performance wise, it runs just fine in my 2.8 iMac. None of these apps are speedy or have particularly good gui’s.

  • http://www.gavinmillar.com Gavin Millar

    RAW files from x-trans, converted to DNG, processed in ACR…

    http://www.gavinmillar.com/Hackney-Harry

    http://www.gavinmillar.com/James

    • StrokesOfDigital

      Hey Gavin, great pics…. did you happen to use Adobe DNG Converter? It seems in my experience, certain scenarios tend to ‘watercolor’ if you raise the sharpening….

  • Scott T

    OK, I’m confused. I’m shooting RAW on my X-Pro1 and editing in LR4 without any issues.

    I’ve never had an image not open. The only difference I’ve found in my workflow is that the Fuji images require less sharpening compared to my Canon 7D images.

    Love my X-Pro1.

    • http://www.gavinmillar.com Gavin Millar

      Hi SoD,

      Thank you for your kind comments.

      I do you adobe’s DNG converter, but do all sharpening etc in ACR.

  • jean pierre

    Sikypix answer my question about the algorithm used in Raw File Converter EX and Siklypix Pro5:
    “Raw file converter EX has an OTHER algorithm, then the Silkypix Pro5!!!”

    We can not expect that third party install a proprietary algorithm in the existing software!

    The best solution would be Fuji-camera software as Win / Mac / Linux version. That would be a great!
    By the way, Nikon has done it, with Capture NX!

    When I developing and editing the RAF or DNG file in Lightroom 4.2 and ACR 7.2 in CS6, It loss much of dynamic. It seems to be 50% from the JPEG-OOC. So the picture looks like watercolor! (in watercolor-painting I need to dilute the water!) Bayer Sensor 2×2, X-Trans Sensor 6×6. All Raw-Converter Algorithm is bases on the 2×2 Bayer Sensor!!! So it works only 50%, and the result is watercolor painting!
    challenge is the algorithm!!!

    The XTrans sensor is excellent, that Fuji itself is surprised.
    Let’s hope that Fuji soon publishes “the-in-camera software” as a standalone software for all XPro1 and XE1 users!!

    jp

  • Al

    I am adobe-free but I would like to see DxO optics support for their RAW and optics distortion correction. DxO RAW support for the X100 is far better than LR. When SilkyPix supports a Fujifilm camera their RAW implementation seems to be more accurate than adobe.

  • peterchad

    LR 4.3 is available in Beta and imminent for release does anyone know if this fixes the raw conversion problem?

  • Juan

    Raw support or me selling my fuji .
    Went this problem going to be done??